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Addition to the F12?

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  1. yoshi86

    yoshi86 Rookie

    Sep 22, 2020
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    Hi All,

    Was curious what you guys have aside from the F12 as a second toy (not DD), and if you had any suggestions.

    I have an F12 which I absolutely adore and have no intention to part ways with, and an E63s as my daily for rainy/snowy days (I live in the east coast).

    I'm thinking of adding another car, ideally a convertible but doesn't necessarily have to be.
    Currently considering the manual F430 at Miller but it's the exact same color scheme (grigio silverstone + cuoio interior) as my F12 so I am a bit hesitant. The premium the F430 manuals are demanding these days is also making me consider other options.


    I'm considering the following, and would love input from anyone with thoughts or experience.

    - F430 manual (Ferrari gated shifter, what more to say, coupe or spider)
    - R8 V10 manual (Gated shifter fun at a much more reasonable price)
    - Gallardo LP640 manual (Can't seem to find any though, coupe or spider)
    - 720s Spider (I've never driven/owned a mclaren and I like their electro tinting roof)

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. hagen111

    hagen111 Karting

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    I have a Donkervoort JD70 on order...after owning an RS initially. Out of my whole car collection this is by far the best and most fun car to drive. You can forget Ferrari's...this is from another planet! They are now also shipping to the US I believe, but they only make about 40 per year of these.

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    It is blindingly fast and pure...but also relatively comfortable.
     
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  3. Schestc2

    Schestc2 Karting

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    Aston Martin V12 Vantage Roadster 6Speed Manual (only 101 build), driving it besides my Ferrari and its a real good addition, totally different V12 character and driving experience.
     

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  4. italiafan

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    If doesn’t have to be a convertible I’d suggest:
    991.2 911 GT3 manual
    Speciale

    Convertible:
    458 Spider
    16M
     
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  5. Michael Ortega

    Jun 11, 2020
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    Hi There,
    I own a 2013 F12 and a 2012 458 Italia. I love both of them. They are completely different cars and both provide a great driving experience. I realize a 458 is not on your list of choices but I wanted to share my thoughts. Best of luck with your search.
    Michael
     
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  6. Avia11

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    Speciale. The best modern day Ferrari.
     
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  7. Michael Ortega

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    Very good car. But significantly more money than some of the others he is looking at. Not sure if that is an issue for him or not. Do you own a Ferrari?
     
  8. Altoria F

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    LP 640 is Murcielago, not Gallardo, that's why can't find one!
    Just kidding, lol.

    I ask myself the same question to complete my FF.
    The F12 being a very efficient machine, I would search for a fun one but not necessary faster one (ie 720).
    The R8 has no soul imho, I'm not confident with the 640 reliability and seems it "heavy" to my eyes (never tried it though).
    The gated 430 would be my choice in your list.
    Out of the list the gated 355 is cool as well, I also enjoy my 993TT (manual tranny of course).
    P.
     
  9. Michael Ortega

    Jun 11, 2020
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    Full service on 430 can be very expensive as it requires the engine being taken out. Not so on modern day Ferraris so its something to be aware of. All new Ferraris come with a 7 year maintenance plan which is transferable. something to think about.
     
  10. Altoria F

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    Yeah, that's my thought as well about the 355, so the reason says the 458 is the way to go.
     
  11. yoshi86

    yoshi86 Rookie

    Sep 22, 2020
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    Wow I actually looked into this but unfortunately don't think I can get it here in the US. I also don't know how I would service it.
    Looks & sounds absolutely amazing though...
     
  12. yoshi86

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    Haha yes you are right. I meant LP 560!
     
  13. yoshi86

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    This precisely. My comfort zone would be 2~300k for the additional car, but I also don't want to trade in all of my cars for a single super-performance machine. I like the variety and ability to switch around whenever I want.
     
  14. Moopz

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    Sorry, but this is wrong. Starting with the 360, the engine didn't have to be removed for service. The 430 is even more inexpensive because it went to timing chains instead of belts. Service on a 430 averages $2k a year.

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  15. RogGT-R

    RogGT-R Karting

    Jul 20, 2020
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    I have a Zenos E10R - now that’s a different driving experience!

    Just been finished in matching Rosso Corsa to the F12....

    Only 109 Zenos built and only 30 E10R before they went bust!

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    350 BHP (Ford RS engine and box), no ABS, traction control, power steering, brake servo, stability control - nothing. And approx 450BHP per ton.


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  16. Rmbp

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    I have exactly the same combo - E63S as a daily and F12 as my main toy. Perhaps a 600LT or something in that direction would be a nice change of pace, as it differs from the F12 more than the 720s does!
     
  17. ScottS

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    Well it depends on your itch. If you want analog with little downside, 430 6 speed in whatever flavor roof you want. Little depreciation and maintenance is low. I have one of those and it is the opposite but idiotic smile inducing every time. Even a 360 F1 will give you that feeling and the older you go, the lower you go and the more analog you get. You lose speed but you remain quick and low like a go kart before height and nannies became a thing.


    Fast, fun, low and different ? Any mid engine F car
    Or dare I say Maclaren. I prefer my Maclaren to be an LT or 7 series and no one who has one or drove one complains about it - only after selling And taking a hit although second owners get the best of both worlds.


    Speciale is the most amazing contemporary Ferrari but entry is high, but ultimate cost would be low as residual value will be high. Very different than F12 and perhaps not as versatile but as many said perhaps the quintessential modern Ferrari.


    I’m a heretic. I find the 458 series to be too razors edge acceleration for me as the last NA car. 488 are soooo cheap for what they are with overlap between 430 manuals, 458 spiders and 488 coupes, the 488 coupe is most useable but most future depreciation. Think about it 230 buys all three?

    It also depends whether the price of your addition wants to start with a 1, a 2. Speciale are a different price point but again it’s not the entry but the exit that determines cost of ownership unless it’s a forever car.

    Let us know. The search is the fun part.

    ScottS


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  18. hagen111

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    Was at the factory yesterday and they informed me they have 2 finished cars going to the States at the moment. Service points...just a matter of time. There is a wait when you order one, most likely they will have a service point by then. And please be aware...these cars are LIGHT...and as such don't eat a lot of tires, brakes and don't wear out the components....its not like owning a Ferrari. Its supercar performance and looks for Ferrari money.

    And since you want to drive topless and prefer to operate manual...have you considered the Lotus Exige V6 manual? I have one as well and you can take the roof out, the chassis is absolutely brilliant and the shift mechanism one of the most beautiful. Best car you can buy for under 100k. It is supersweet.

    My third recommendation would be 991.2 GT3 manual...have that as well, it is incredible! Important to get manual though.

    The result...my F12 hardly gets any use...it stays parked in my garage...since there are other cars in front that offer so much more.

    Here's a photo of my old 2018 GTO-RS...sold it this summer at MSRP...since they are so rare they hold value very well...

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  19. hagen111

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  20. Avia11

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    Multiple Ferraris. Do you?
     
  21. CPBTX

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    Love the V12 Vantage, had a coupe. From your list, I'd vote R8 with a manual trans.
     
  22. Newjoint

    Newjoint Formula 3

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    MB AMG GTC as a daily convertible would be good choice
    I don’t have the garage space for another 4 wheel fun vehicle so I make do with a Ducati SL


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  23. Evo X

    Evo X Karting

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    6 speed manual 718 GT4 or 991.2 GT3.
    Modern, reliable, great value, and a totally different mid or rear engine experience to the F12.
     
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  24. hagen111

    hagen111 Karting

    Feb 25, 2006
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    Spot on. I have a giallo F12 and parked next to it is a white 991.2 GT manual. Makes such a great pair (both driving as well as colour wise) and the GT3 makes such a good car combined with the manual box.

    Here is another option...no roof, manual, FUN & FAST...for sale for a 100k at Hillbank in Irvine California:
    https://www.hillbankusa.com/vehicles/537/1957-caterham-seven-s3-620r

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    I actually passed on the SF90 allocation but put an order in for one of these...but they also have a year wait! This is the S3 chassis so not for tall/big drivers.
    I have been in these on the road and track and there are very few cars that beat this for fun and speed. Very low poser value though...
     
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  25. RogGT-R

    RogGT-R Karting

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    That’s a £30k car tops if you wanted it offer them as that looks like one of the last ones built and bought out of administration so they will have paid no more than £15k for it 4 years ago. It’s a brilliant bit of kit though and all oily bits are stock Ford and there is a thriving community of owners and support from ex factory Zenos people. I recommend it especially at bargain price.

    PM me if you want more info.


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