812 VS Rumors

Although those stereotypes have existed for years the EU has blended cultures and companies enough that they no longer apply and this is really happening on a world wide basis. As the negative stereotypes disappear so do the positive and with it some of the things that make each culture special.
Going hand in hand with the above is the sensitivity scale- we are all Ferrari enthusiasts- and have to live with the stereotypes thrusted upon us as a group- the good and bad.



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What you fail to realize is that generalities are in fact based upon a kernel of truth, otherwise they wouldn't be so universally recognized. Embrace the fact
that we are all different, it is not the abomination the have nots are shoving down everyone's throats.

Let us not forget the road going Ferrari was built to bilk the rich in order to support the racing team. I actually have no problem with that- as close to a road going race car as one was able to purchase, somewhat lessened as the years went by. Regrettably, that bilking is now being directed by the accountants to satisfy the investors........Pista anyone........

 

I am curious to know if anyone here would say no the 812 vs if it was confirmed that it will not be a limited number production? I am not 100% sure myself as I bought both a pista coupe and a spider and did not really like what the company did with those. There is a scenario where they use the 812 vs as a cash cow and make thousands..

 

Now that we have settled that (~P&R) topic, anyone else heard from their dealer or others regarding 812VS allocations?

 

Agreed - the weekend has come and gone and very few are evidently getting the car

 

I have heard fewer than 500 Pista Spiders made worldwide...you should be pretty solid with that car...

If the 812VS is not numbered, no more than 830PS, same 8900 rev limit, new body kit, further emissions regulations (noise and exhaust) agreed, who would trade up?

It may actually be the factory will only be able to find buyers if production is actually limited to select/elite clients and at a price higher than the SF90...?

 

I agree with your overall sentiment; however, at the risk of sounding pedantic I would like to point out it is not “racism.” The Italians, French, British, and Americans are not separate “races.” Within each country there are citizens of several races. The term you are looking for is “xenophobic.” I only mention this because I am so sick of US political ideologies carelessly throwing around the accusation of “racism” so frequently of late.

Now....back to the program....

(btw...this is not a P&R comment, it is a comment on the use of proper vocabulary.)

 

I admit having a little trouble understanding this fascination with numbering in the current period, because of the good cars from Ferrari to buy, there won't be many, believe me ...
If you buy a car for use, the numbering doesn't matter.
If you buy it as an investment to put it under a cover in a garage, that does retain its importance. But in the latter case, you only own a scale 1 model.
A Ferrari is fun to drive and personally, if I was in Ferrari management, I would award it to the people who do 10,000 miles a year.
My only regret with the F 12 tdf is that they didn't build 3000 cars, so I could have bought one and run every weekend of the year with it !!!

 

It need not be number limited, nor would I expect it to be in this cash recoup COVID environment. I can see it sold to the top clients first. Then after an appropriate wait period, and the hint of the aperta version, the list magically opened up to those already in the room with a seat. The aperta being the true numbered car. That will be an attempt massage the VIPs sitting in the front rows who bought the coupe and the customary dangled carrot to the others sitting in the back. I doubt those who made it in, standing in the back would get a ticket.


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I agree with everything you said. Bravissimo!
Between my 458 Spider, Speciale, 16M, and 812 I have ~66K miles...so I should definitely get an 812VS!

(but......you know I won’t get the “call” )

 

I wish you have one, to all the enthusiasts here as well, but if not,don t be sad and remember Enzo's famous answer to the question about the best Ferrari produced.

 

i had a call to my dealer this morning, he said that they had a video conference meeting with Maranello last week, what they got out of it is as follows.

the VS will be less that 1000 cars which makes it time limited not numbered as for the spider it will most likely be limited in numbers.

he did say however that the guys from Maranello didnt want to keep the VS topic going for some reason either the info was not a solid confirmation or that they didnt want to give away too many hints.

 

Let's hope this answer stays true for as long as possible from an enthusiast's point of view.

 

"Less than 1000 but not numbered" does not make much sense to me, if the quantity is actually lower than 1000 why not adding the "prestige" of numbering?
The F12 TdF was officially 799, so any number less than 1000 would not look ridiculous (i.e. excessively high for a numbered car).
So far the recent experience is that non-numbered cars at least exceed 2000 units.

 

Non ti preoccupare. As we are aficionados of the world’s greatest brand we also engage accordingly with great style and hence tutto ok. My comment was a reply to “GreyBoxer’s” (another member on this thread) post, on the topic of timing of the client list for the 812VS. Agreed, I could have made the reliability and timeliness statement more Ferrari centered, which was also my intention, as opposed towards the overall Italian culture. I must however correct you, that this has nothing to do with fundamental racism as that would be defined as having an antagonistic stance towards a racial and/or ethnic group. One may see my comment as stereotypical insult others may see it as an allusion towards a humorous cliché. Looking forward, I hope the 812 VS will be limited: a true collectible that’ll be remembered as the last real V12 Gran Turismo. Furthermore, I sincerely hope that the list and the criteria will be communicated ASAP; cannot wait!

 

what I can tell you is that for enthusiasts, the future of Ferrari is in this section ... unfortunately forget the V8 section above ...

 

Would you say, hold on to the speciale and Speciale aperta? Is there another NA V12 or is the next one a hybrid v12 roma looking thing. If that’s the case I wouldn’t want to part with the F12, SF, or GTS... lol

 

If Ferrari watches its stock price (yes they do) the Street did not like what they said today. Stock is down over 5%. If you were Ferrari, you would maximize margins on the 812VS and the street looks at how many cars they produce. IMO the 812VS will follow similar story as Pista. Reason, in modern times Ferrari has never not sold a car they produced. This will continue for a long time. Ask yourself this question: “are there more than 10,000 willing Ferrari car buyers in the world per year?”


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Keep your Speciale and your Aperta.
For the rest, it is better to concentrate on the VS now, because it is too early to answer this question.

 

Thanks!

 

You heard wrong.

 

Please do expound on that, can you tell me what you have sourced for number of Pista Spiders produced?

Thank you

 

The fact that Marcel Massini liked his post is good enough for me.

 

I'm one of the sad people that collects chassis numbers. I really don't think it is fair to give an explicit number on a model that isn't a normal production car but I can tell you I have quite a lot more than the number you gave and I think that's reasonably clear to see when you look at how many are for sale or how many pictured just on this forum. It is also reasonable logic that there would be more Pista Spiders than 458 Speciale Apertas.

 

I guess the issue with buying a €500k car not numbered is depreciation; of course for some Ferrari clients this will not be an issue as they can afford to buy many Ferraris new and not look at resale value. There is a fair share of the brand clients though that can still afford the cars but need to keep an eye on resale price; if you drop 20/30/40% on the lussos, romas, portofinos is one thing but if you start also being hit by depreciation on the SV models then the whole things might become a bit too expensive. You might argue those clients were not the right clients because they don’t buy the 500k cars, race them on track and not care about the secondary market prices; but how many are they and can the Ferrari really keep the current production numbers without them?