812 VS Rumors

Funny indeed.

It is sad when we consider the passion that should animate the people who do this job

 

How many times have you walked into a dealer and you know more about the car than the dealer sales people do - for me most times. So anything that comes out of their mouth should be taken as hearsay in most cases

 

The "passion" that does animate the people who do this job is money. This is a business, nothing else.

Marcel Massini

 

I was told that and I know you didn't get that treatment, why I don't know because you are the same level customer as me by history AFAIK.

I should also add that most of the people who got a Pista without buying a Portofino or Lusso got them late in the cycle where it wouldn't do them any good if they were flippers. The others who didn't buy a Lusso or Portofino were the top tier customers that had already bought a 488 or 488 Spider and had a history of buying new cars early in the cycle.

 

Goo

 

Meant to say “good point “ not goo !

 

Meant to say “good point “ not goo !

 

I think my phone hates me !! Keeps repeating itself. ( my staff tell me I do the same )...Lol
I still think the vvip already chatted too , coupes under 1000, Aperta under 500 units so total production sub 1500 for the VS......

 

Goo

 

If Avia is being given numbers this exact, it implies he has a special relationship with his dealer and is not in need of buying a Lusso or PF to qualify for a car. And he is probably not getting this from a regular sales guy. Most regular sales guy are clueless about this stuff.

Incidentally, I also heard from a dealer/owner that he expects the Aperta to be super limited. Way below 500.

IMO it makes no sense to limit Aperta production to 50% of Icona. But Ferrari may want to shake things up a bit, just to show everyone who is boss. And push back against the "overproduction" narrative on FChat

 

Yes, probably the case because his car buying history tracks mine. If you are chummy with the owner or the general manager then you get a better place in line than someone like me that just buys cars and doesn't know the owner at all. Ricardo Vega is the owner of these dealerships but I don't travel in his social circles or spend enough money buying cars from him so I am relegated to dealing only with the SA and I get the run around along with many others.

 

double goo

 

you don't know and yet you presume that you and I are the same level of customer based on my purchasing history that you see reported on Fchat. Its generally not a good idea to make assumptions. When things don't make sense, it usually means you don't know what you think you know .

If one was in the market for a Pista to flip it, they probably shouldn't have gotten the car in the first place.

 

True that!!!! (especially in the US)

 

Wasn’t true in the UK. Friend of mine got the first Pista at his dealer. Last purchase? Speciale (in fact he had three of those new for various reasons). No 488, Lusso or Portofino anywhere. Another friend had a 488 but no Lusso or Portofino before his Pista. I actually know nobody that bought a Lusso or a Portofino to get their Pista.

 

I think this might stick! LOL

Goo.

 

Actually, I did say AFAIK. I don't care to buy cars I can't use nor do I care to buy a car to make money on it. It would be nice not to be raped by depreciation whenever I change cars but I don't think that is really possible anymore with Ferrari. I wasn't interested in the Pista or the Pista Spider nor am I interested in the VS of the 812. I was interested in the GTS because I thought I wanted a convertible version of the V12 but I realized after visiting with the GTS in person that I like the lines of the coupe better so I am no longer interested in the GTS because I don't like the buttresses.

Sadly, I don't see much in Ferrari's future that interests me right now.

 

Well I didn't say it didn't happen and your friends are likely much higher tier customers than those whom I know. However, I got told that by my SA and plenty of others did that to get them from the dealer here in Austin. Furthermore, plenty of people here on Fchat reported that as a requirement for dealers here in the US. Maybe not so much across the Atlantic.

I should add what I pointed out in my first post is that there were extra slots made available for people who waited and didn't buy the Lusso or Portofino. Several of those posted on this forum that they eventually did get an allocation without purchasing a car they didn't want. So I have no doubt they will do the same with the VS.

 

US dealers reamed a lot of customers with needless "requirement" purchases. Some played the game, some didn't, and some didn't have to because of their status or relationship with a dealer. In retrospect, you didn't need to purchase a new 812 to get the GTS, nor a Lusso to get a Pista.

It would be interesting to know whether a new Lusso or Portofino purchase carries extra weight for the buyer with Maranello when assigning 812VS allotments. I suspect that it does very much, especially the Lusso.

 

+1 on the V12 Lusso

 

If they are really making less than 1500 total units then expect the price to be very high and perhaps well over reasonable for what you get.

Goo.

 

Goo indeed in that case ....

 

It is very easy and I have mentioned it multiple times, that the 488 Pista was and is considered a special series car that you should not have received as your very first Ferrari. There were eligibility criteria clusters, which also leaked btw.(see attachment), and the dealers were instructed by Maranello to follow those guidelines when choosing the appropriate clients. Now, that was a total failure because certain dealers/sales employees abused this “authority” to make their own rules and decisions hence the disparity between the criteria for receiving a 488 Pista varied greatly amongst dealers and regions... For the Pista Spider it was a different story. Dealers received a list with actual names of clients that Maranello chose and hence the dealer had less leeway on getting “random” clients one. In other words, the spider was a hard car to get and an ‘average’ dealer received 10 spiders and 40 coupes; just to give it some color. Back when the TDF was being allocated ‘average’ dealers were granted around 6-7 units - 799 units globally built. So Marcel’s comment on 800+ Pista Spiders - totally agree. Most likely somewhere around 900-1000 units of the Pista Spider. Coupe probably around 3,800-4,000. I think Maranello and the respective executives have realized that their strategy for the Pista coupe was not great and that is why I strongly believe the 812 VS will be limited. Although there is no “limited edition” plaque in the Pista Spider, the car is considered a limited series in the CRM and the pista coupe a special series. I don’t think the 812 VS will have a “one of #” plaque in the car because not even the Monzas had that. All they had behind the driver’s seat is a small dedication plate saying “limited edition”. As we know only 499 Monzas built and Galliera said that once the production ends they will communicate how many SP1 and how many SP2 were produced of the overall 499; based on customers’ wish. With the 812 VS I could imagine a similar “limited edition” dedication plate, def. no numbering, but def. a strict number of units built. 812 coupes and 499 apertas, maybe even 812 units for both variants and selected customers may choose between the two options... We shall see shortly. Good luck everyone!
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This is probably completely accurate or close to completely accurate.

There has been much tug-of-war between those who were adamant that the 812 VS cars were going to be a limited time run but not capped at a specific number ... and those who were absolutely convinced of the opposite ... limited to specific number. Amazing actually how so many people were told opposite things by dealers and other sources.

It can now be said with an extremely high degree of confidence that BOTH versions of the 812 VS will be STRICTLY LIMITED BY NUMBER PRODUCED cars just like the F12 tdf was. This is not going to be an open production run like the Pista cars were. Limited production number gents. Both hard top and convertible.

Let’s put it this way ... you can be 98.12% sure of it.