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  1. Boots

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    Not to mention when ICE cars are not even the real problem...
     
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  2. Gianfranco341

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    I disagree to that . I had a F12 before , obviously without GPF and I have a 812SF now with GPF . I don’t really find any differences and the sound is awesome for me . It is more a speculation on it
     
  3. Gianfranco341

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    I agree after I had a F12 before and a 812 SF with GPF now
     
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  4. Caeruleus11

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    I remember when people said sports cars were dead in the mid 1970s. Regulations, changing tastes, etc. Look what happened, it took a long time, but we got some spectacular cars. If theres a market there, it will come back. In the mean time, all of us have to adapt. If you want what was made before, there are many pre owned beauties out there.

    Right now we have the 812 C - I think its very exciting and fascinating and carries on the traditionalist V12 NA mantle excellently for the next few years. I’m so happy they are still making cars like these.


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  5. ForeverCar

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    Is it supposed to stay 1/XXX or will XXX actually be a number that reflects world wide production number?

    I haven’t seen the number from official Ferrari material but I may just have missed it.
     
  6. day355

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    #7781 day355, May 8, 2021
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    I will give you a concrete example.
    It was quite possible to make the F 171 without hybridization and much lighter than the MC 20. It was a possible choice, but what would customers think of a new car less powerful than an F 8 ??? This is exactly the question that Ferrari asked itself and we know what was decided ... When I say that Ferrari has become a manufacturer of heavy GTs rather than sports cars, my example supports this statement, it is a " choice "!
    Without underestimating the new stupid standards with which they must come to terms!
    I would like to be able to answer each of your arguments, but ...
    maybe we will discuss it in person one day ...
    Coming back to 812 competizione, it is an extraordinary machine. Initially the rpm limit was 9750 rpm.
    You have something to do by going to get the 9500 trs !!!
     
  7. JTSE30

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    When you realize how clean a pre-GPF 812SF is, it is totally absurd what the EU did, instead of "weighing" particulate matter they changed to a system that counts the number of individual particulate particles, completely absurd. A pre-GPF 812 takes 28,000 miles to emit a single ounce (28.3 grams) of particulate matter from the engine (i.e. not including brake dust or tire attrition, the EU isn't counting that, yet)
     
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  8. JTSE30

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    3 things:

    WEIGHT, the battery weight does not change, full or fully discharged, you are carrying around the same amount of weight.

    The Lotus Evija has 67kw/h battery pack, lasts maybe 20 minutes at full pace, and still weighs the same, which is a lot, gasoline weighs a lot less and as you use it up, your weight goes down. An 812 has about 160 pounds (73kg) of fuel when full, battery packs are really inefficient on power to weight ratio when compared to gasoline.
     
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  9. Maximus1977

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    Customer preferences come into play a lot. We do not represent the majority Ferrari buyers. Yes, I’m sure a large part of Fchatters would drool over a 1100kg mid engine V12 with 500hp.
    The majority of buyers would simply say “ WTF my E63/RS6/M5 has more hp!”
    Big numbers still sell cars; driving emotions that are not so easily caught in numbers are tricky; unless it destroys current Ring times.
    In short, the market get’s what it demands.

    Still darn happy I’m getting an 812C and letting the whole neighborhood know!
     
  10. JTSE30

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    Not real, only stuff of dreams, for cars that is, for ultra-low power situations, the nuclear waste battery (Carbon-14 based) could be useful, very doubtful it will ever scale beyond powering micro devices.

    https://newatlas.com/energy/arkenlight-nuclear-diamond-batteries/

    https://medium.com/0xmachina/the-nano-diamond-battery-ndb-too-good-to-be-true-548066508c49
     
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  11. JTSE30

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    Doug also should study up before making videos, he showed a glaring lack of knowledge, he thinks the battery pak is down low, not realizing it is upright behind the seats, he also does not realize the front trunk is tiny because the electric motors are using up that space, and on and on....
     
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  12. MDEL

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    Jerry I totally agree and I'm sure we will continuo enjoying for a long time our Ferraris with their NA V12 engines. When the time will come that a big percentage of vehicles are already electric, that's when the fun will be even greater. If now many people already turn their heads when they hear the sound of a Ferrari, then everyone will be doing it.
     
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  13. MidnightRun

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    When discussing the future of Ferrari (and sports cars in general), there's something more elemental that none of you have mentioned - future integrated speed monitoring and reporting. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a nobody. But, I'm a nobody who knows some very heavy hitter "somebodies." These guys know my addiction to speed. They tell me that GPS based real-time speed monitoring will be coming to the EU, and will end up in the U.S. The future: automated speeding tickets from cars that tattle on us to Big Brother. If you dance canyons and do V-max runs, now is the time to assemble a stable of pre-speed monitoring cars.

    Electrification may enable cars to do 0 - 62 mph in the future under 2 seconds, but that's going to be academic is a world of instantaneous speed monitoring/reporting. It is against this backdrop that I have found myself wondering about the future of supercar mfrs such as Ferrari. I don't profess to own a crystal ball, but, prudence tells me that if I desire to go very fast in the future while maintaining my driver's license, I'll need current generation cars that won't inform the police of my 'spirited' driving. What will that mean for companies such as Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Pagani, etc.?
     
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  14. Shack

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    And you are absolutely 100% correct. So add the EU killing ICE to GPS based monitoring of you every move "for your safety" and hence why collecting non-digital/analog cars is a must if you want to continue to enjoy yourselves.
     
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  15. Shack

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    And I would HAPPILY pay a significant amount to have a pre-GPF car
     
  16. JTSE30

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  18. red passion

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    Amen!
     
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  19. 575joe

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    Other than the 999 Competizione and 599 Aperta numbers posted by the English magazines, has anyone been able to get a confirmation from a Ferrari rep or a dealer that those numbers are in fact what is planned?
     
  20. Boots

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    Those numbers from Autocar and EVO came from Enrico Galliera during a media Q&A held after the live enveiling.
     
  21. Challenge64

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    Based on the allocations coming into our dealer, 999 seems just right - compared to the Tdf allocations at least.
     
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  22. KenU

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    #7797 KenU, May 8, 2021
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    Always in the ear of the beholder. Always subjective..

    In these ears, it was the sole reason I passed, without hesitation, on my GTS order after personally driving one for a while. I noticed the only difference in exhaust note between my SF and the GTS was equivalent to night and day.
    As I've stated in previous posts, when GPF is brought up, I will forever cherish my '19 SF and never sell it.
     
  23. JTSE30

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    I think of it differently, reduced speeds = reduced emissions...

    See this possibility:

    https://dieselnet.com/news/2020/12acea.php

    "For instance, the Euro 7/VII on‐road test would contain no minimum average speed and no “sensible limitations” of positive elevation gain or maximum altitude. “The proposal basically aims to impose absolute emission controls under any possible driving event, however infrequent and at whatever cost,” ACEA said."
     
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  24. ForeverCar

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    I maybe overly skeptical. Unless the numbers are in writing from Ferrari, I think this is a great way to keep demand high and not held to specific number of units (at least that’s what I’m interpreting for the coupe).
     
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  25. Boots

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    Always possible.
     

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