Nice ride, so this may cause considerable offence... Stanceworks 308 GTBi (Honda K24 Swap)

I'm a purist and love originality but this YouTube build is FANTASTIC and I look forward to every new episode. The host Mike takes a really humble approach to his work openly sharing his challenges and fears along the way. The content is really nicely put together and I think that in the end it will be a really unique and cool result.

YES he did hack up a nice car and YES there are other platforms that maybe would have been a better start but he wanted to do a 308 so let him have at it. So far the build is going really well and I can't wat to see it running under its own power

 

Probably not needed. I'm just tired of a lot of these guys. Samcrac, Tavarish and his multiple channels, V Tuned, and on and on - they are all the same ilk anymore. The only one I look forward to is Project Binky.

 

I'm not sure what there is to be tired about. YouTube has endless lifetimes of free content most of which I imagine is of little to no interest to any one particular viewer. No need to hate or complain that the totally free videos out there are not to your liking. Heck I have not had TV service in my house for over a decade preferring a little Netflix or a YouTube stream over what the networks run and it has saved me a bundle. Sure there are a lot of content creators that make stuff that's not my taste but good on them for being out there and trying to make a buck at it. It is an EXTREMELY hard slog and only a tiny few make real bank at it. I think the only channel I follow that has universal positive comments (absolutely unprecedented in YouTube) is Tyrrells Classic Workshop. Then again his viewership is far from the crowd that is interested in drift and time attack cars.

 

I've watched this YouTube phenomenon develop over the past five to seven years and the way I see it, to try to explain the allure of being a YT producer or having a channel, is the likes, subscribes and adoring comments. Because you have basically three types of YouTube watchers, there are the haters who will give a thumbs down and maybe a snippy comment or two but they are relatively few. Then you have the idolaters who subscribe and love to post gushy comments praising the skill and prowess of the producer and pumping up his or her ego. Then you have the vast majority of viewers who are basically "meh" They might subscribe but rarely leave a comment or click the thumbs up or down. They're the ones who will hover over the "skip add" button waiting for the countdown and will FF through any imbedded promotions. If an add does get to play through the "skip" option it's because they're taking a leak or in the kitchen making a grilled cheese sandwich.

So can a YT producer make any money? They can but you really gotta be a hustler. I can't imagine how much walking around with a camera pointed at myself yapping or setting up shots of work I'm going to perform would hinder my progress on a complex project. But the likes and gushy comments definitely help until the poor guy gets completely burnt out. I think one of the most successful ones I've seen is a guy named Marty who just sets up a camera and plays a song lesson on his guitar. He's successful because he knows and has made a video of pretty much every popular song you can think of but he has no difficult setup or choreography. Just sit in front of the camera and show you how to play Hey Jude.

 

I have a great answer for you - don't watch them. that is the great thing about youtube - you can control who you watch.

My favorites are:
Harry;'s garage - totally what I want to see
Ian Tyrrell - great content - great cars
Goodwood channel.
I like Ratarossa ... but he's getting really commercialized ... but again its his gig.

I've seen some of the ones you noted... but honestly its 3 sec here and there... i like the Hoovies garage guy... more him than the content. he's the least hyped up ...

 

I really like Ian Tyrrell's channel. He's very good.... And as it turns out a great singer!

 

Agree. A Ferrari is it's engine. I own some very high HP cars as well as my GTB. There is nothing wrong with the Ferrari V8, the same as there's nothing wrong any number of classic iconic engines. I enjoy my 308 for what it is. The gentleman hacking this Ferrari can certainly do what he wants to it as it's his car. IMO, a pointless exercise designed to garner attention for the channel.

 

YouTube has become something nobody could have imagined a few years ago and there is all kinds of content on it now both good and bad. Some of it can be really good although producing it probably bordered on being a full time job. In the automotive realm here is an example of how a guy can take a three year restoration of an old Range Rover and turn it into an hour of something fascinating to watch by presenting it in stop motion. A lot of talented work on two fronts.

 

Most people have no idea of the sheer number of hours that goes into turning raw footage into a finished video. Even once you get the hang of it and create your format, stitching it all together takes hours and hours. I was speaking to Tavarish a couple years back at SEMA and he told me that 100 hour weeks were the norm. It is a brutal job that looks fun and glamorous on the outside but the reality will burn most people out pretty fast as there is just not enough revenue to pay for full-time production staff.

 

This build lost my interest a while ago. It’s his car and he can do what he wants, but as a ferrari it’s dead. It appears to cater and now, judging by the comments, mostly supported by the YT quarter mile, ‘maximum bhp’, ‘get err dunn crowd’. Anything can be made to go fast, literally anything. Speed is not a quantity that matters any longer. This poor car needs to go to the crusher

 

Tell that to Ferrari! cough cough .... SF90 (sorry)
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True but the technology nowadays allows any Stanley Kubrick wannabe the chance to produce content that would be impossible 20 years ago without a few million dollars. A $600 drone can do what used to take a helicopter, a handheld GoPro can replace a high end 70mm film camera and the crew needed to operate it. time-lapse and stop-action can be done with software. Yet, the really good content still takes an artistic mind to create it. A lot of the automotive YT stuff you see are just guys trying to mimic popular TV series, usually with dismal results. This particular channel, I don't know, he's definitely got his Ferrari dissing fan boy club to back him up and he caters to them with the content but where he's going with it is unclear to me. It's neither a race car nor a decent street machine (no roll cage, no heat, or A/C or even wipers for cripes sake) He basically traded the original engine and transaxle for a set of highly overpriced screw on fiberglass fenders and most of his "engineering" boils down to he thinks it "looks" nice.

 

I concur with your favorite list........plus, not a fan of hot-rod/rat-rods....but I am addicted to Bad Chad videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeSLXPRMuaH6c-sGR9sedPA

This 15-page post is not from Mike but started by JC, commenting/discussing Mike's YT channel/308 project direction. Mike is very talented and I strive to have a smidgeon of his skill-set. His e30 M3 has my attention! But I feel like FerrariPilot..... the 308 is dead..........calling Dr. David Lee, please.

 

No Honda engine in this one. I've probably watched it 100 times.



For non-car YT - Lock Picking Lawyer.

 

I think that captures the essence of how most of us feel and what Ferrari was trying to achieve with it's road cars. The Dino and then the 308 were molded on that concept and by the time you added all of the amenities that people wanted in a street car along with all of the requirements required by governments yea, it weighed a ton but it had air conditioning, leather seats and power windows and it was a thrill to drive. I don't know why people seem compelled to put the 308 up against cars built 45 years later on multi million dollar budgets and call it a "dog" because hey, it's not. Compare it to any other street car sold on that day and it's perfectly capable of holding it's own.

But this guy, I'm sorry. I don't like to be critical and I've given him a chance. He just has no respect for the pedigree. He basically saw the Liberty Walk 308 show car and decided he wanted to do that as, I don't know, an "art" project. He ordered the kit and then bought a GTB and never so much as tried it out on a canyon run to see what it was about before cutting it up. It seems to me that he picks up the Sawzall before he has even sketched out a plan. I guess that's his style.

 

I agree. the P4 has to be one of the best looking cars period let alone Ferrari's. I have seen them up close, but never been in one, or even dreamed of able to drive one.... but have been in a replica Norrwood one...

 

Thanks to the couple that are supportive, your kind words mean a lot and I'm glad and humbled to have some fans in this community.
I put a huge amount of effort into my content to try and keep it educational, I try to teach something in every episode, and I aim to focus on the details of fabrication and how I am building the car at hand.

Its a disappointment to hear some guys only see "chasing youtube views, horsepower, get er dunn" type things instead of acknowledging and listening to what I am actually trying to do and hearing out some of my own goals. Just because they aren't in line with yours doesn't mean they're misguided.

Oh well. As said 15 pages ago, it's what I expect from this place, for better or worse.

One of you, whom I have met and MORE than polite to, and welcomed into my my shop to see my car/buy parts, has been trash talking me and calling me a "spoiled rich kid" on their facebook page, questioning how I afford to do what I do or how I have my shop space, man, you're really making yourself look salty. Grow up.


Anyways, back to it. I'm working on fabricating my turbo manifold, I'll have an episode up on Tuesday for those that are enjoying the progress.

 

Mike,
This is the Big Boy Internet where people don't get butt-hurt because everyone doesn't agree with them.
You came to a forum where most of the members (my opinion) are interested in preserving what is - if not one of the most beautiful and iconic - certainly one of the most recognizable exotic cars in history, proceeded to bastardize said car, and then bitched and moaned when most of the forum responded negatively to your project.
I mean seriously, are you that ignorant of the audience here, or is it all just some warped belief that controversy will create more traffic to your channel/site?
If you expected this kind of reception as you claim, why do you keep coming back?
Don't get me wrong; I fully support your participation in this forum, but man-up and either shake-off the haters or quit antagonizing them, but please stop crying about it for God's sake.
I also happen to support your right to do whatever you choose to the 308. I've posted numerous times here and across the web that what the world doesn't need is another concours 308.
But at the same time, we've all seen a turbo K24 project or two, haven't we? The fact that you're essentially just doing the Japanese version of "LS Swap It" is kind of Meh.....
But that's OK; you're doing this for yourself and your fans and what I (or anyone) think is completely irrelevant.
I wish you the best of luck with your project - seriously - while it's not my thing, we are fellow enthusiasts and I respect any display of artistic expression and individuality.
Dave

 

Mike -

Dave gave you a good summary. What I'll say - I hate what you are doing to what used to be a Ferrari. You could have made a go-fast car out of a Miata, but instead chose to carve up a rare piece of kinetic art. Your choice. Don't come here and expect us to like or praise your choice.

I should thank you. Tearing up and vomiting on said work of art, you are only increasing the value of mine.

Guys like you would gut the original 330 P4 and put an LS1 in it for more views on You Tube. Guys like me - jesus, I'm in tears hearing the sound and seeing the hammer marks on the original engine.

Ask for praise on your channel, but not here.

 

I come back because I get such a kick out of replies like this. I love the irony - dudes telling me that I'm crying about this stuff, that I'm bitching and moaning. Have you taken a moment to read your posts? Someone's upset, and it sure isn't me. I haven't bitched or moaned once. I just push back, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not a door mat. I enjoy debate, I enjoy argument, and I like to stand up for what I am doing.

I do not care if you do not like it. But it doesn't mean I won't stand up for my side of things and justify my methods, my line of thinking, or whatever else. They're not mutually exclusive, and I'm pretty sure you realize that.

Okay man. Tell me I'm the one that's butt hurt.

That's some amazing projection. You have clearly ignored any logic behind my choices and have labeled it purely for youtube, and you want to imagine I'd trash a 330P4 - a true piece of history - just because I'm having my own way with one of the most plentiful and least desirable Ferraris ever made. Come on man. Put together a good argument, at least.

Reminder: I didn't ask for anything. I didn't even make this thread.

 

As I've said before I don't agree with everything he is doing BUT if it gets a few kids interested in wrenching on cars on doing metal work it's a win in my eyes.

Fabrication skills are rapidly disappearing within our car culture. We are raising a bunch of Instatwats who view a car as an Ipad or a rolling status symbol. They don't even understand how an engine works let alone how to do simple repairs. Hell, even most of the new Ferrari owners I see locally here have manicured hands and not even the slightest idea how to change brake pads.

I hope videos and channels like this spark an interest and get kids back in the game. As someone with a full metal fabrication shop and CNC equipment I've offered free lessons to local teens. Very, very few have taken me up on the offer. If this Youtube video has better results I'm all for it.

 

Brilliant commentary. In the next generation those with an ability to work with their hands will be able to write their own ticket.

 

I wonder if his next series will be to take the guts out of an "unpopular and numerous" Rolex and install the guts of a Timex. You know - for simplicity and reliability.

 

I'm curious why you praise Project Binky (of which I have seen every episode) but you can't help but take pot shots at what I am doing?

I'm sure there are Mini purists out there that think they've ruined what the Mini is supposed to be by throwing an heavy AWD drivetrain in the car and going overboard in nearly every aspect without regard for any aspect of the Mini's heritage. I mean even things like the tilt-forward nose of the car just adds tons of weight and complexity: both opposite to what the Mini is supposed to be about.

But it's their car, and their work is good, it's entertaining, and the car will be a great machine when it's done. Will it be a Mini? No, not really by most measures, but that's not the point. Otherwise they could have started with the Alltrac GT4 Celica and just shortcutted an absurd amount of work. Why do any of this to the Mini when it has taken everything about the Mini away from it?

Because they wanted to.

The only difference between their project and mine is the production numbers of the chassis at hand. I didn't take the car out of your garage, I bought my own. So why does it upset you so much?

 

Hello M.Burroughs.

I think I was first who replied or asked anything in good manners. So please be kind.

I had to re read your entering to this topic.
Binky guys don't do it for others, they don't do it to get views, they don't introduce their selfs to forum by starting on negatives.
If someone would get real Salvador Dali and give it to Banksy to let him make it something completely different, minor part of folks would appreciate it but most would loathe it. So what I find weird is that you knew that most here would hate what you do and then wonder why they don't like what you do. If you are doing it to yourself, who cares what others think or say? Keep calm and carry on.
Let the end product and outcome talk for itself.