Indeed, I had the same idea about fake side windows and top to create the illusion of a visor windshield. But this illusion is undone by the sight of the rubber door moulding which is more indicative of a classic arched roof line. At least we should hope so; otherwise that will be a rather bad job of sealing the door windows. On the other hand, I would have thought they’d have an advanced prototype as production representative as possible to check for door sealing and wind noise etc. Other things of note are what looks like a random hood lid just to close the hole up front and what looks like foam padding along the doors and front and rear fenders. Also, I suspect this car is a spider, hence the ability to create a fake roof.
I'd say 3.0L hybrid TT V6, 850 PS, 1450 KG. Not sure about the innovations Leiters was talking about: "We will develop a totally new V6 family based on a very, very particular, innovative architecture with plenty of innovations regarding technologies and components".
1450KGs would be the official Ferrari dry weight, possibly with "optional equipment". From that point of view, the Pista's weight is 1280KGs.
I still don't get over it, that Ferrari still has no production car with a carbon tub. Especially with all the emerging hybrid stuff this would be highly appreciated.
Dry weight is like saying your weigh was 40kg less when you were a teenager. What’s the point when Ferraris are usually 300kg heavier than the announced weight?!
Most supercar manufacturers quote dry weight. Wet weight is dependant on the amount of fuel mostly. I never drive with more than half a tank; it's just dead weight.
In motorcycles a pound or two is a big deal so the OEM lists dry weight which does not even include grease on the bearings or axles. Nothing wet. Just a summation of the weight of each dry part which in reality is impossible for a built vehicle.
Most rediculous thing i ever read in a sportscar forum. Looks like you never track your cars, or probably dont even have a car. Good luke on the Nordschleife with a half tank of gas, so you can be on the fuelstation every second lap... or booking some trackdays on other tracks and spend most of the time on fuelstation as well, whilste your friends drive the double amount of lap then you do, just because you dont want to fill up your gas tank more than half.. I gues that is the point of driving sportcars, never drive them on track and never fill up the gas thank to the max, as the weight could be different than qouted dry weight, so you can spent the maximum of time on the fuelstation, instead on the track Just nonsence
I’m scratching my head at that comment also. I fill up when I bug o my o the gas station and never ever have I noticed a difference in performance as my fuel tank empties.
Maybe you're right. I was just thinking that 850 (or so) PS would nicely place it between the F8 Tributo (720 PS -- the model it's going to replace) and the SF90 (1000 PS) and above the 812C at the same time, so it seemed like a good guess..more horsepower is always a good way to offset the extra weight of the hybrid system, that was their philosophy right from the start when the 599 HY-KERS concept was unveiled quite a few years ago. "Thus power is coupled seamlessly and instantaneously between the electric motor and the V12. The electric motor produces more than 100 hp as Ferrari's goal was to offset every kilogram increase in weight by a gain of at least one hp".
I think you are right too.... But what scares me is not the number of HP but rather the weight of the car. Even if it will probably have a small V6 TT, the hybrid part makes me believe that it will not be a light car, therefore less fun. Maybe Ferrari found a "Miracle" solution for the weight of this new car, but I really wish it was beautiful, personally I find the 488 and the F8 Tributo really unattractive (unlike the 458 Italia) I hope a design worthy of the Monza, Roma and SF90.
Empty stomach and without blood in your veins. Stupid, but that's what everybody quotes, and that's what we have to compare.
Yes, obviously it's not a 1:1 comparison between a car and a human body for obvious reasons, but as Zeus said above, most manufacturers provide that figure (and kerb weight as well).
That's why Ferrari doesn't care about the carbon tube. The difference in weight is like between a full and empty tank, and no one can feel it.
I own a car with a carbon tub and without and I can tell you without any hesitation and a shadow of a doubt you absolutely feel the difference. It’s not a comparison. I say this with a combined experience of over 13,000 miles of driving. 6000+ in the carbon tub and over 7000 in the aluminum chassis.
Btw- you are completely missing the point about the carbon tub. It’s not just about weight savings. It’s stiffness and responsiveness. The car feels more alive and connected. Not sluggish. Get some wheel time behind both and you will see the advantage of the carbon tub.
Final thought- if a carbon tub is not a big deal, why would Ferrari choose to have it in their halo car the La Ferrari? why doesn’t Ferrari use an aluminum chassis for their F1 cars if it makes no difference?
