F8 exhaust options. GPF delete

Did you mean N-tronic or Techtronic. Two different things. N tronic is a plug and play ECU update that will increase your HP and Torque. Stage 2 gives you close to 800 HP. The Techtronic is the OBD plugin that avoids the CEL light on and does not allow computer to register a code. For any exhaust upgrade, you will need the techtronic. If installing a valve-less exhuast ( I did) you don't need any vale switch. And yes, Novitec is prretty solid.

 

Did you notice any performance differences good or bad? Thinking of going Novitec valveless as well

 

Sorry I posted this on the other exhaust thread, meant to add it here:

I'm @ 800km with my Novi valveless + Tectronic - I couldn't be happier, the perfect setup for my taste. Cold start is extremely loud, but then calms down. All through the rev range is a nice high pitch that builds to a scream at high revs. Some small burbles on deceleration, nothing offensive. You can still have a phone conversation on the highway with windows up, but put the windows down and get on throttle and it screams. No CEL's so far, highly recommend!!

 

Sweet! Which tune?

Any videos of it on the street on the throttle?

 

I have also been looking for a solution to open the valves please advise , I ordered the TUBI Exhaust for the F8 but It requires the ECU to be flashed, I canceled the order

 

When you say “open the valves” do you mean an exhaust with no valves or a way to control the valve operation? If you install any aftermarket exhaust that removes the GPFs and/or cats; you will need an OBD plugin module to clear the codes (Novitec Techtronic, Kline- only 2 available right now) or a ECU tune/reprogram which will definitely void the warranty.

 

I agree. The car does have a very loud cold start, a lot louder than stock. Does quiet down afterwards. However, there is a nice rumble, not entirely quiet. It also comes to life when you rev it. It is not obnoxious. For louder, have to get 200 cell sport cats. For slightly louder, bordering on obnoxious and getting the neighbors upset, 100 cell cats. For obnoxious and pissing off neighbors, straight pipe. For the last two, you have to tune/reprogram ECU, meaning losing warranty. Chasing F1 or NA sound? Just don't do anything because you'll never will.

 

The ECU needs to be remapped for The Tubi and most likely for any aftermarket exhaust it would be required and like you said ferrari has a lot of issues and will void warranty which is not worth it , in the past we could just crimp the vacuum hoses To leave the exhaust open

 

Incorrect. The ECU does not need to be reprogrammed for every aftermarket exhaust. Novitec has the Techtronic plugin which avoids the car going to limp mode or throw/store any codes. So far, the only reliable OBD plug in.

What we do not get is what you are referring to with regards to keeping valves open. If you have a stock exhaust, for the F8, you can't pin or do anything to keep them open without getting a CEL and possibly going into limp mode. If you are referring to an aftermarket valved exhaust, there is a switch you can install to open and close the valves. If you buy a valve-less exhaust (like myself) you do not need a valve controller, only need the Techtronic (or a similar plugin device from an exhaust manufacturer) as you would for any other aftermarket exhaust.

 

PM me the link to the valve switch or if you can post it

regards
Jeff

 

Knowing how Ferrari's are, to even think of taking on a brand new Ferrari without having any warranty for the sake of playing around with the exhaust sound is just plain insanity imho.

Then when you go to trade it, the dealer runs a scan and is left to decide whether it's worth the risk to take on the warranty without having any future manufacturers assistance. This is why some of these Ferrari's wind up on used car lots rather than in official dealerships. As in buyer beware!! It's case where a price is paid by the purchaser at both end of the scales and, along the way when problems (inevitably) manifest. I've owned two Ferrari's now and having no warranty is a road i never ever want to go down. Once mine is out I will renew it no matter what price the Dealer asks for the extended warranty plan. Having no warranty is like "pointing the bone" at yourself.

 

I found it from Novitec I will get that one thank you

 

I understand and agree with your point. I think I should have waited but you know what. I may also die tomorrow and be er get to drive it or .ay drive it just once and get to enjoy whatever little thing I have done to it. I am hoping that nothing ever happens and if it does, that they turn to decent human beings and not punish us for something that is unrelated with the exhaust. Time will tell. Hopefully, I will never have ti find out about warranty. We'll see.

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We all could die tomorrow but while we are alive and driving a Ferrari better to have it warranted because when things go wrong and you have no warranty you will wish you were dead. Warranty is a funny thing. When you have it very rarely anything goes wrong - although you are in a Ferrari don't forget ...so thing will - but the day you don't have any warranty is the day something VERY expensive goes wrong. In the case of an F8, having removed the gpf, a tune and, a totally different exhaust is like really testing your metal to the hilt but good luck with it. If it works out maybe you should also buy a lotto or powerball ticket because you may be on a winning streak!

 

See??? Argumentative but with substance. I agree with you and still took the bet. LOL... Stick around... We should all be able to agree and/or disagree and still be friends or at least respectful and cordial!

 

My dealer said they hadn't seen many big issues with the 488 GTB . I said ok , how much is the extended factory warrantee year 4 and 5 . $12,100 was the response.

I replied draw up the papers ill pay now.

 

Powerball doesnt like me. I won last division last year with quick pick 48 times out of 52 ! This year im up to 22 times and always last division

Its teasing me to continue to play !

 

Good news is having an aftermarket exhaust does not void your warranty here in the U.S. We have laws that protect us from that. It only voids the part you replaced. If anything else fails, the dealer/manufacturer has to prove that the aftermarket part caused the failure of other components. Very difficult to do BTW. ECU tune is a whole different issue as the ECU just about affects every mechanical component in the car. Proving an ECU tune caused other failures is much easier to prove.

 

I disagree. Ferrari will say no to covering under warranty - they won’t cover it and you will have to sue them. That math will never work in your favor.

 

FofATL response below. Not sure I want to roll the dice but I don’t even have my locked in allocation yet! I would think they’d do all they could not to honor the warranty despite how benign and unrelated an exhaust upgrade may be. Yeah, I’m a little negative.

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I guess we can agree to disagree. What do I know, I only own a luxury new car franchise dealer.....

 

Just going by people I know who have had to fight for warranty work with Ferrari. But just changing exhaust only (not messing with cats or ECU would be safe. I have done that on my 458 with no issues. Was not willing to take that risk on my F8 (which needs it a lot more!)

 

I hear ya. It's always a risk and you might have to fight for it depending on manufacturer, but I just wanted to point out that we have laws that protect consumers where a manufacturer cannot just arbitrarily void a warranty based on an aftermarket part being on a car.

 

It is against federal law to tamper with or remove ANY EMISSIONS device. If Ferrari denies your warranty.. what are you going to do..take them to court? You are up the creek without a paddle on this one folks. You are breaking the law. Enjoy the noise tho.

 

I wonder if this applies if the aftermarket exhaust complies with local emissions regulations? Not arguing, genuinely curious!