F8 exhaust options. GPF delete

Emission devices they are referring to is the catalytic converter. Mufflers or silencers will fall under noise regulations that vary by state.

If Ferrari or any manufacturer for that matter voids your warranty because a part violated federal or state laws, will they void your warranty if you had tinted windows in the front because it violated some state laws?

 

Last I checked your front windshield is not an emissions device. This thread discusses removing cat converters and the particulate filter on the F8. Also bypassing the check engine light/emissions light. That is illeagal no matter what state you are in. If you were to try and fight Ferrari for voiding your warranty..all they would have to show is the fact you performed illegal modifications to thier product.. your goose is cooked..

 

Technically it fails.

 

In what way? There are any number of “street legal” aftermarket exhausts on the market for a variety of sports cars. Here in the US, some are only 49 state legal, while others are 50 state legal.

 

If you are referring to catalytic converters, then you are correct. It is against federal law. I thought you were referencing exhaust systems in general.. No need to be so snarky though.

I will question whether federal emissions laws gives any manufacture the right to void a consumer warranty for defects on their product without having to prove that it directly caused a failure of other components.

I'm sure there are attorneys on this board that practice consumer law. Maybe they can provide definitive answers.

 

Technically Ferrari can prove it fails using the VAL in the ECU which proves changes were 100% made even with just an exhaust. Have fun pulling Ferrari on for size with your legal rights if/when things go south and they say no warranty. Play around or remove emission systems such as cats or GPF and you are further gone. The VAL will show all this too as the set values will change as you make changes. No I'm afraid you are done proving anything which will work to your favor.

 

The big problem is Ferrari made one world wide F8, designed to comply with the ridiculous 2020 EU emissions and noise requirements. GPFs are not required in the US, and could be removed with no issue other that it will trigger a CEL light. I would assume any owner that decides to modify the stock exhaust, has considered the potential complications and can live with it.

 

Agreed.

 

No aftermarket exhaust components are legal. They can be sold with the "for off road use only" loophole. That loophole will be closing soon.

I completely understand that just adding a better flowing muffler does nothing to increase emissions (I do it all the time infact)

However the ENTIRE exhaust system is considered an emissions device. And any form of modification is technically illegal no matter which part is tampered with. You can get a ticket for excessive noise (very rare) or if you have a real hard ass cop..he could pull your car in for inspection. Once that happens.. it's an open ticket book.

I love the sound of an uncorked Ferrari like anybody else. But to expect Ferrari won't void the warranty when performing illegal modifications is just not possible.

 

What about "Sport Exhaust" sold by Ferrari? That is what I bought and had installed on my 458 (by my dealership). Have to assume since i paid Ferrari dealership for exhaust and install - no issues with warranty. They would not touch my F8 though...........guess times have changed

 

And that loophole already closed here in Colorado..........sucks.

 

What is CO doing, visual inspections of exhaust systems annually?

 

Not trying to create argument here Tom, but let me get this straight. If you own a car, let's say that is out of warranty already for argument sake. You get a muffler that goes bad or has a leak. You go to Midas and get a muffler installed. Obviously not factory, but aftermarket.. Is that considered modifying the exhaust hence making it illegal? Just trying to get my head around what you are saying. Am I missing something in your statement? If so, please point it out for me.

 

I understand the “for off road use only” loophole, but that’s not what I’m talking about. Let’s say I take my wife’s BMW to Midas for a new muffler (not that I’d ever do that) - are you saying I’m in violation of federal emissions laws? Certainly Midas isn’t using BMW OEM parts.

I’m not a lawyer, but I feel like you’re casting too broad of a net here. Happy to be proven wrong, as always. Learn something new every day!

 

LOL, we literally just used the same Midas example at the same time!

 

That sucks. My dealer has no issues installing a Capristo exhaust, although I went a different route. Maybe a Pista is different than an F8 in that sense because of the gpf and cel.

 

Lol! I just saw that.

 

No - you get 7 year exemption - then every other year. But they have put fear of god into dealerships and shops........my dealership will not touch exhaust now (starting Jan 2021)........they are too afraid.

 

I think it is a Colorado issue more than GPF issue...

 

Just terrible. Sounds like it's time for some Montana plates. Lol.

 

I agree with you.
Just changing the exhaust even after the cats gpf and getting more exhaust flow changes the air fuel mix and temps in the exhaust and turbos. Any engine issues Ferrari will blame the exhaust change that was made. I went through this on a Porsche…Magnuson Moss act everyone like to refer to doesn’t protect you and was not brought into law so people can mod cars.

 

Sport exhaust is provided by the manufacturer and must meet noise regulations in order for it to he sold to the public legally for road use. If it meets those requirements then it is a legal product.

 

What you are doing at Midas..is a repair. Not a modification. You as the owner of the car are required to keep the emission system of that car is a good state of operation. If you replace said muffler with an OEM equivalent there is no issue. However if you decide to put a large fart can on it you could run into some trouble depending on how strict your jurisdiction is.

 

A big part of our business is indeed selling and installing aftermarket exhaust systems. We sell Tubi, Kline, Capristo, and a bunch if others. However, part of my job is to educate my clients on the risks they take by installing such systems.

Not too many of my clients have been bothered by the police,, however that may change because of the new noise pollution laws that have recently come into effect around here. I may have to remove my Borla Atck system I installed on my Ram.

At the end of the day the risk is in your hands. Just go in with your eyes open.

 

I’ve said this a million times on various car forums…. Your cars warranty IS NOT with the dealer…it is with the manufacturer. The dealer will tell you anything to sell you stuff.