F8 If you already had a Pista - F8 or 296 and why

Sounds about right. A friend of mine was blown away by the acceleration of my Pista (he owns a Speciale). He doesn’t believe me when I tell him the LT is downright scary fast by comparison.

 

Stay away from this car: https://www.thesupercarblog.com/ams-lamborghini-huracan-does-0-60-mph-in-1-4-seconds/
It seems the super sports car segment nowadays is obsessed with quarter mile times and street "racing" from you tube videos , hence the AMS Huracan, more power to the dragsters.

 

The difference between the 765 and TTS is not only the objective greater speed of the former, it is the manner in which the ferocity of that speed creates the perception of even greater speed.

 

Since this is after all, a Ferrari forum, perhaps we should refrain from continually extoling the ground breaking and paradigm shifting virtues of the 765. I know, it is exceedingly difficult not to.

 

For anyone on the east coast, my auto company is hosting a track day at Summit Point on the 15th. I plan to have my 765lt there. We will have coaches, catered lunch and simulators. Hit me on a dm if you're interested.

 

0-124mph in 6.7 seconds is almost impossible to wrap my mind around. It wasn’t that long ago when that was a decent 0-60mph time for normal sports cars.

 

It’s so true. The Pista is crazy fast, and yet the 765LT is even faster. And the way 765LT delivers the speed is much different, and that contributes mightily to the greater sense of speed. In the 765LT, you can really feel the boost.

 

Not sure if you misinterpreted my post? I’m saying the 488 with its lower gearing and Ferrari’s reduced torque idea in lower ratios means the 488 pulls out of tight hairpins better than the 675, which needs 1st gear to try and keep up. The 675 scores with fabulous steering and great grip at the front.

 

My experience has been that I bought cars I wanted over a few years, have treated the dealer well and tried to be a good customer and they have treated me well too. I think that is a key thing. I am a committed V12 customer - Lusso, 812, GTS and also the V8s, Speciale, 488, Pista Spider, F8. Also liked the SF90 and ordered one too. I like trying different things and am interested in how that car goes. I had a use for all of them and put quite a lot of miles on all of them - the ones I sold as well as the ones I kept. Some people criticise the 812 series but I think they’re fantastic, some of the best cars ever to come from Maranello. The GTS is an absolutely sublime car, one of those that just works great and is somehow more then the sum of its parts. I didn’t plan to keep it as well as our Superfast which is TM but I just couldn’t sell it, not yet at least. It is one of the most beautiful Ferraris and I do literally mean beautiful. The Comp will be nothing like as quick around a track as a 765 or probably even a Pista. And I care not a bit.

 

It is crazy. How about 0-100 mph in 4.7 seconds which is my best time. From a RWD drive car on the street lol.

 

I wonder....with the intro of these 800+Hp hybrids when does it become too much?

 

I don’t know that. But I say bring it on.

 

Tuners have been TT'ing Lambos for over 10 years. It's not a new thing. Mine is TT'd as well. I enjoy it almost as much as I enjoy my stock F8.

 

Eats 765LTs all day?

 

It is faster than a 765, but it also makes a lot more HP, so it should be. That said, the 765 is incredible. l’m drinking the kool-aid. I’m not really a fan of how it looks or the brand, so at this point in time I’m not interested in owning one. However, I wouldn’t be a true car enthusiast if I didn’t appreciate the awesomeness of the car. It’s absolutely amazing.

 

Understandably, the enthusiastic posting surrounding 765 is from those who have actually experienced the car and know what all the fuss is about - which is mainly owners.

All others will naturally have a tendency to stand firmly behind the beloved Ferrari as being still in on the game. However, the reality is it’s game over until Ferrari can get with the programme and put up a model which can exude the same level of emotional excitement.

And all the talk over physical preferences regarding which looks the better or the more appealing to the eye - the Mac or Ferrari - also becomes irrelevant particularly as the greater majority of onlookers continually demonstrate a visual favor toward the 765 in both the looks and presence department.

As an owner of both brands i can appreciate this may be a bitter pill for the Ferrari loyalist to swallow, but it is again a reality which is evidenced each and everytime these two cars surface together in a public arena, where all and sundry swarm around the 765 leaving the Pista looking a little lonely and dejected.

It’s really only after the 765 departs the scene that any interest returns toward the Ferrari - again from what I’ve witnessed with my own eyes, on each and every occasion I’ve seen these two together.

So I can understand the annoying nature of the 765 particularly within the segment of loyalist Ferrari owners who over time have become emotionally charged and heavily invested into the Ferrari culture - which is evidently based upon an elitist historical background of self proclaimed superiority, or so it would seem.

So it will be very hard to break the general pattern of thinking until such point Ferrari is able to legitimately claim the high ground specifically in the area of having the superior driving emotion and, visual presence, when in company of other high end Marques. And I genuinely look forward to that day!

Where 296 comes into play is yet to be realised, however, listening to the exterior sound in the vids indicates another overly muted exhaust note, with the majority of sound occuring within the car. This to me is not a good sign Ferrari has got with the program they desperately need to get with/back into. Even adding some flamage may have helped along there but nope - no flames even. Sigh..

 

With all due respect, I think you are generalizing Ferrari owners. I for one am not a loyalist to any brand. Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, I've owned them all. I've been fortunate enough to have been able to experience the 765 and agree with you that it's massively impressive. No argument there. Way more visceral than my Pista. I understand the enthusiasm you have for the 765 as many others do here and it's absolutely warranted. I just prefer the aesthetics of a Ferrari, Lambo, or Porsche over McLaren. I have never warmed up to their design, which is a subjective thing. I just can't spend $400k+ on a car that doesn't appeal to me in the looks department. Who knows, maybe someday I might start to find the Macs attractive as tastes do change over time. I hope that doesn't classify me as a Ferrari Elitist Lol. Cheers.

 

Not at all. I'm a Ferrari owner too don't forget!

And any sensitivity only goes toward proving my point!

What I've just said is based purely upon what I've seen with my own eyes and, heard said. Agree appearances are subjective and there's nothing wrong with not liking the look of the 765 either - doesn't offend me one bit - although it is quite funny how criticism predominately comes from certain owners of other brands, yet out in the public domain you hear the exact opposite! Although I'm sure at a Ferrari event critique on appearances and, a general defensiveness toward other preferences would always favor the Ferrari, particularly if a Mac rocked up and parked - understandable - no issues there. Some things are a given.

Now back to 296.
The centralized recessed rectangular exhaust box looks weak and rather disappointing for an exhaust outlet. It's as if Ferrari are ashamed it even has an exhaust. Maybe this is why Ferrari have reduced the sound emanating from the exhaust, so as not to draw attention to the rectangular box? I also suspect there will be soot build up form on the paintwork around the box which will give the rear end a dirty and smelly appearance too! Ferrari should have used a pair of nice looking big round pipes which protrude and go toward toughening up the rear end IMHO!

 

On reading Shadow’s post, those were exactly my thoughts too. Shadow, you seem to want to portray a negative narrative about Ferrari owners wanting their car to be the centre of attention in a crowd and not liking the 765 aesthetic because they are overly sensitive. Perhaps there are some like that but none of the owners I know (about 20 or so) would fall in that category. Some of them own McLarens, none have bought a 765, mostly because they haven’t enjoyed the McLaren experience or don’t see the value in upgrading from 675 to 765, not saying I agree or disagree, just how they are choosing to spend their money. People voting with their hard-earned cash in favour of one brand or another isn’t because they are ‘sensitive’, when they give a reason it’s exactly that, a reason, not being defensive. In the crowd you describe, ignoring the Pista and swarming around the 765, I honestly would have no issue with that at all, in fact I would no doubt be joining the crowd. You rarely see cars like 765, SVJ, Pista etc. so I would love to pore over a 765 for 10 minutes or so. I’m delighted a British brand is loved like that.

To the 296, I don’t think I’ll be a buyer of one. Why? Do I expect it to be below par? Absolutely not, I think it’ll be brilliant and though it might seem odd to a 765 owner, I’d buy one ahead of the 765. In reality the two cars have nothing to do with each other. Artura is 296’s competitor, whereas in my garage 765 has to be a car I would prefer to take to track days over our GT2 RS. No matter how it drives, I just can’t believe it will be that. I’m guessing 296 will be quite similar to SF90, which is why I don’t think I’m a buyer. I’ll leave one more thought; whenever I swapped our now departed 488 spider for a friend’s 675 on road trips, despite the 675 being the quicker, more aggressive car, I have been happy to swap back again. The blend of abilities of the standard 488 suited me better in the mountains and over a 2,000 mile road trip. Do I think the 488 is a better car? No. Good as the 765 may be, it will still be subject to the way car owning works best; you develop a relationship with a car, learn it, understand it, maybe even come to love it. You always know there are cars that do some things better but what relevance is that? When driving either of our 812s, I just never think “what a wasted opportunity, Pista would be quicker”, I enjoy the car for what it is and how it wants me to drive it. I have an old Subaru that gives me the same feeling and I even love my new pickup truck because it so great at handling some of the other sports and hobbies I have. Car comparison that leads to x is better than y is completely pointless and misguided in my view. However good a car is, that is a subjective point. Will Ferrari’s new 830hp mid engined ‘baby’ car be worth owning to those who want one? You already know my answer.

 

Ok Lukey, I accept the typo where the word "ALL" on my paragraph 2 should have been "MANY" - but the rest stands. And, as a Ferrari owner who also respects my car and the brand, I'm only reporting on what I've personally witnessed and heard. Maybe im misreading you but this retort of yours indicates I seem to care whether Ferrari owners like the look of or see merit in buying a 765 when frankly I really couldn't give a toss. Same goes with whether I care who takes a 296 over a 765 - don't really care. I think you are reacting a little sensitively in the matter and I now must wonder perhaps did I perhaps hit on a few home truths? Anyway peace brother. Long live Ferrari!!

PS. I'm still keen on that 812c, and like yourself don't care if it can beat a 765 on circuit or is as fast in a straight line. I've never really cared about all the drag times stuff as to me these cars are way more than just pointing and shooting with a stop watch to achieve bragging rights.

 

….and McLaren! (And Porsche, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg… )

 

And since I’m British (actually, English for these purposes), just wanted to say…. It’s coming home!!!

 

What is? Ya lost me.

 

I’d say the 296 as the F8 coupe lacks the sportiness I preferred in the Pista. Whilst sportiness in the 296 is not a given, I am encouraged enough by the brief time I spent driving the SF90 on both street and track to be hopeful.

 

For whatever reasons or rational, a Ferrari devotee has no desire in buying a Mclaren in general or a 765 specifically, it is irrelevant to me. I have no vested interest in any car brand. The one that produces a car that comports more fully to my priorities and preferences, gets my money.