LOL on the “non-partisan” and we also can read what is published in the mostly partisan media you follow so don’t really need you rehashing the content as your own thinking. Autosport has a much more wide ranging forum—suggest you try that. But I guess it would not be as much fun as needling Ferrari fans on a Ferrari forum, would it?
Others before you have also tried to impose their censorship, and failed. It has been explained many times by the moderators that this is a F1 forum open to anyone, and not a Ferrari forum only. I suggest you visit the forum rules, and not try to impose your own.
Nothing wrong with a straight 4 turbo engine !! That makes a perfect F1 engine. I remember Nelson Piquet winning a WDC with one.
Since he's had several years to mull it over IMO Adrian Newey will come up with a dominant RBR design and Max will continue his streak
New 2025 F1 engines set for 'massively increased' electric component By: Jonathan Noble Jul 5, 2021, 11:01 AM Formula 1’s new hybrid engines from 2025 are set to feature a ‘massively increased’ electric component as part of their overhaul, Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff has suggested. Image Unavailable, Please Login Following a summit of major manufacturers – including Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault, Audi and Porsche – at last weekend’s Austrian Grand Prix to discuss the new rules, an outline concept of what F1 should look at was discussed. And while the specifics will take many months to formulate, Wolff says that F1 is doing the right thing in sticking with turbo hybrid power units that run on fully sustainable fuel. Speaking at the FIA Conference in Monaco on Monday, Wolff said that there was consensus that F1 could not go back to loud combustion engines. “The discussion was ‘what are we doing in the future in terms of engine’, because we want to save costs, so we don't want to reinvent the wheel,” he said. “But we also want to have an engine that is relevant from 2025 to 2030, and we can't be old petrol heads with screaming engines when everybody expects us to be going electric. “So these engines are still going to be fuelled. We are staying with the current V6 format, but the electric component is going to massively increase.” F1's current power units feature both an MGU-K and an MGU-H, but there have suggestions the series may abandon the MGU-H because of its cost and complexity. That would then open the door for a more powerful kinetic component to be used. One of the core components of the new hybrid generation of engines will be running on sustainable fuels, which car manufacturers believe will be hugely important with cars continuing to use combustion engines for many years to come. Image Unavailable, Please Login Toto Wolff, Team Principal and CEO, Mercedes AMG Photo by: Steve Etherington / Motorsport Images Wolff added: “Why we are staying with the internal combustion engine is that we believe that the fuel is going to be with us for a long time. “In Europe we may have the ambitious targets of having electrical mobility as part of our daily life by 2030, and I can see at Mercedes how ambitious the targets are, but in the rest of the world, we will have millions of vehicles that would still run on fuel. “For Mercedes cars itself, we believe that we will have several million vehicles in the world that will still run on fuels. So what we can contribute with our innovation is to help them to develop sustainable fuels: be it biofuels or be it synthetic fuels. “Our cars will run on 100 percent sustainable fuels by 2025, and this is how we will contribute to the reduction to the world's CO2 emissions.” Wolff said there was growing evidence that F1’s innovation in finding sustainable solutions and driving the technology forward was attractive to the younger generation of fans. “If you look at F1 today and large audiences that follow us, especially the younger audiences, our strongest growing group is the 15 to 35-years-old,” he said. “I was in Austria this last weekend, it wasn't so great on the track, but it was impressive to see a full house. We had 115,000 spectators. And what I've seen is a younger audience like never before in Formula 1. “And I believe for these younger audiences, Formula 1, and we made a survey, stands for innovation and high tech. We may be going a little bit away from gladiators. “But the kids in the younger generation see it as flying fighter jets around the race track, so we must never forget that high tech innovation is part of our DNA.” https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/new-2025-f1-engines-set-for-massively-increased-electric-component/6626218/
So in essence, MercedesAMGF1 has already been working on the 2025 PU already....maybe 2 or 3 years ago???
Should anyone be so shocked. From the past they were working on the current PU early. Others should have been doing so as well....Ferrari?? This is industrial competition as much as track focused lol
The press and wisdom last year in the paddock was the 'front loading' of the budgets to work on 2022 equipment prior to budget cap coming into play now. Teams with the resources probably did so. Question is how far did Honda go. Renault Im sure had the foresight to invest. Ferrari and certainly Mercedes. The early RedBull results will be interesting lol. So much mystery for us to assess
All teams are Corporate Hacks. Name an independent team now. There are zero. The noise has been reduced for years. Sport is more popular than before it seems.
Does it matter what noise is reduced. They have done this. V8 to V6 hybrid. Noise was reduced. I still watch. I miss the noise. I still find F1 intriguing and watch. Look how many here now for years still post. We complain and watch lol
I have many things to do. F1 is part of those things. If it changes and I dont watch then its easily replaced.
New simulator for 2022 for Ferrari: https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/67150/ferrari-fits-important-piece-to-the-2022-puzzle/
I’m usually ok with change and find new rules cars etc exciting. However I’m having a hard time right now with knowing where the PU change is heading.
30% down since V8s. I would call that a significant reduction in viewers, Red Bull has suggested a very exciting engine that draws people to the sport, seems they're not all corporate hacks (or is he? RBR want an exciting engine in order to make the sport more popular, to make more money).
Some of the arguments used here should be challenged. What are the real causes of the shrinking audience in F1 ? What is the impact of noise reduction compared to the end of free TV viewing in many countries ? Would a return to noisy NA V10 attract a new audience or only satisfy the older generation ? Can F1 evolve in its own retro bubble and ignore the technologies available to street cars? Should F1 strive for more parity between teams or losen the technical rules ? Is there a sinister motivation behing the introduction of the budget cap ?
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/88795/rumour-fia-abandons-tyre-rule-for-qualifying.html Formula 1 has reportedly scrapped the Q2 tyre rule in qualifying. That's what some observant Formula 1 followers on Reddit claim after digging into the new rulebook. The drivers who qualify for Q3 in the qualifying session have to start on the tyres with which they drove the fastest time in Q2, according to the current rules. Many teams find this unfair, as it gives a big advantage to the teams just outside the top ten. They have a free choice of tyres for the race. The FIA seems to be aware of this as well, as according to Reddit users the new rule is no longer in the regulations. If this rumour is true, it means that from 2022 onwards the top teams will have more opportunities to determine their strategy for the race and in this way have an advantage over the competition.
I have favored, for a while, teams having to start on Q2 qualifying tires or any harder tire (new or used, but not softer).
Apparently, VW would enter F1 (through Audi or Porsche), IF four-wheel-drive was allowed. Both brands have experience in 4wd through their participation in the WEC with LMP1 cars. VW considers 4wd relevent to street cars these days. They propose ICE at the back and electric motor on the front axle. That would be a revolution in F1, and I suspect the idea will be discreetly kicked in the long grass.
F1 set to approve Barcelona and Bahrain 2022 pre-season test plan By: Adam Cooper Jul 29, 2021, 12:54 PM Formula 1 is close to finalising the pre-season 2022 testing schedule with sessions set to be split between Barcelona and Bahrain.
[AMuS] There are many meetings about the future engines in F1 [2025], but not much progress is achieved. It is not even clear yet whether the new engines will have four or six cylinders. There are two sides: Mercedes and Renault represent one, Ferrari and Red Bull the other.. Mercedes is in favour of retaining the V6 engine. They say it's due to cost reasons. Every new construction costs more money. They would also like to keep the MGU-H as a technology, but would be ready for a compromise in that area. Renault shares the Mercedes view. Budkowski: "If we have CO2-neutral fuel, we don't need a V4. The V6 is already there. Renault does not like to have an electric drive on the front axle. "That means massive modifications to the car, more weight and more costs." Red Bull says that a cost reduction is not possible with the current engine architecture (V6). They are in favour of a four-cylinder (V4). On the subject of hybrid, Red Bull sees no need to increase the electric content. A simple MGU-K is enough for that. Ferrari is also in favour of a complete new start, but differently than RB. As a sports car manufacturer, Ferrari is aiming at the series relevance of the technology. CO2-neutral fuels are an absolute must. Then it doesn't really matter how many cylinders the engine has. "We are open to a new start with a four-cylinder (V4)," we hear from Ferrari. & on the subject of hybrids? Ferrari is ready for a change too. Recuperation on the front axle is closer to series production than the MGU-H, which has not yet made it into a single road car. Renault says that new manufacturers could get a temporarily higher budget cap or more test bench hours to make up for the development disadvantage that they would have. If there is no agreement by the end of the summer, the FIA might decide on the details on their own. The Concorde Agreement expires at the end of 2025. For 2026, the FIA can do what they want. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-motor-2025-vierzylinder-sechszylinder-mgu-k-allrad/&prev=search&pto=aue
