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Some truth here. What i noticed after trawling right over the STO and then directly comparing it against the EVO alongside was the EVO appeared far more suitable - and certainly more comfortable -unless the majority of planned use was circuit driving. Physically they are much the exact same car along with the engine etc. The EVO also represented far better value as well. The comparison raised strong doubts toward STO being at all suitable for general road driving given the extremely poor visability and lack if storage. STO really is just a track day toy which can be registered. 765 is an overall superior proposition than STO in many areas and on many levels having good visibility and superior ergonomics which allow for street use - has good storage/luggage space - yet is a formidable track day weapon. 765 relegates STO as a bit of a one trick pony really, so on that note you would be better off with both or,ditch the STO and take the EVO if you wanted the NA engine. It really comes down to how much circuit driving you are really going to do in an STO or its a car that will end up living in the garage.
It’s a good question. I’m fine with the sound thing after a certain threshold. I have a Porsche turbo s and put a Kline inconel exhaust and headers on it….yawn. I may get flamed for saying this especially if I said this on rennlist (can I get a double shot of what’s my Porsche worth with that please?) but over the weeks it’s been on, it has gotten better with high revs but, still feels like I’m wearing ear plugs. With the 488, I am genuinely happy. I have heard a lot of gripes about that here when comparing it to the 458, but I’m fine with it really. I already have a 2021 EVO and I’m selling it for, ostensibly for the STO that I ordered. I now have doubts (about STO). The thing is, I like the boy racer/hot wheels cool factor and I admit it, I geek out on the looks and get a little fan boy sometimes. However, I want to drive the car and enjoy it and for some reason, I’m just concerned that I won’t like the ride and the performance won’t be much better that what I have now and even worse, it could be imperceptibly better but documented on some stat that proves it’s faster than the current car I own. The EVO I have is loads of fun to drive, quick, loud, nimble, grippy and always an attention getter. I like it a lot but I love my Ferrari. And I love my turbo s, exhaust limitations included.
Agree the STO screams boy racer with all the tack on body bits and frilly colors. I also like the look of all that and it certainly has appeal in that sense, but i too have to wonder how that is actually going to play out on the street once the bubble and fizz of buying it dies down. Its clearly not going to be easy to live with outside of a circuit. And then there are other cars which will probably prove better for circuit anyway - such as the GT Porsches which are far hardier and equally if not more fun and competitive. Im also re evaluating my position on STO as time drags on. Its a lot of money for a one trick pony that has a lot of other similar variations.
Why she hates the gt3rs? Lol. It grey black 997.2 with red accents. She doesn’t like the red stickers or lipstick accents on the car and she doesn’t like the tail lol. I don’t think she’s ever been in the car. Maybe once. Your wife sounds a lot like mine, as long as I don’t add cars to the mix it’s ok. She will support either car as her financial concerns are as long as lifestyle is not affected, then it’s ok. I really love the pista looks and there is no question about performance, nor sound. I would be super happy to own one, but as I already have 488 spider and am happy with it. ‘I wish Lamborghini would release the track times of the STO at the ring and give me some idea on the incremental improvement of the STO over performonte and where it stacks up. Otherwise, what I see, is a very nicely repackaged EVO with lots of cf body parts vs a 765 that is clearly next level with acceleration and handling. I do know this, whichever I choose, it will most likely never see the track.
I tracked my gt3rs extensively and had a lot of fun with that car. Car is fast stock and I just felt the car was so balanced and set up properly. I stopped tracking it for 2 reasons. First, I couldn’t do wheel to wheel racing without going to slicks or Hoosiers and some significant suspension modifications and second, the car was just too dang nice to wreck or go off track.
Its funny reading how so many here have wife issues and use these as your compasses. Ask yourselves who is paying for the cars and who is driving them? Is she? If so then fine. Otherwise its moot. YOLO. My advice to you guys with wife issues is to stop handing her the reins to lead you around and pull out the whip. I mean what do you honestly think shes going to say? There are some things you shouldn't be having to seek approval for and these cars are one of them. Lesson of the day: you never hand the wife the reins or she will bring out the whip.
Only way to find out is ask. Call around and report back. I’d be curious to know if allocations are readily available. I’m guess no but then again I haven’t called around to see the market.
You should be able to get allocation for a spider as the take up for these isn't as strong as the coupe - this info coming direct from Mclaren sales staff. I'd make an approach to the dealer and place an EOI. I'd be surprised if you can't get spider allocation. There is still allocation over in our parts and I would assume your way as well. It's amazing package and a proper drivers car. Your wife will probably like it as well as its comfortable enough.
Call Tom Roach (GM) at McLaren Orlando (they’re actually in Titusville). Pretty sure he had something when I met him at Festivals of Speed.
Then if it isn't going to see a track i wouldn't touch it. You already know the score, and have evaluated the situation very well going by what you've said above. I also wouldn't discount the idea of getting a Pista as it would be far more suitable than the STO given your intended use. You wife will also like it too. Same with the 765. Pista will also age better and hold value better than STO imho. The fact there are so many other practical variations of the exact same car for significantly less money has me concerned in terms of future sale-ability and depreciation levels, mindful of the obvious impracticality associated to the overall very poor rearward vision and, sheer lack of storage space. Other thing too I didnt mention was the roll cage which to me would be an essential option in this type of heavily track focused car. Without the cage and harnesses it would lose all appeal to many track day enthusiasts.
I just texted a couple of guys here and will see what they have to say. If not, I’ll reach out to Tom in Orlando. Thanks much for the contact!
The 765LT is superior performance wise but I think the STO will probably hold it's value better than the 765LT long term.
Can't see it. Just look at how many other variations of the same car are available. 765 is 765 and only has the 720 in that model line up. Also 765 is less numbers made than STO. I accept if I do end up buying the STO I will probably drop a bomb. STO is Pista and 765 money. Crazy when you look at the 765 and the Pista and what they represent in comparison. There basically is none - another thing which concerned me after I left the dealership. When you flip the clam shell forward and remove the rear cover there isn't a lot too the car really. The other two just look more substantial overall. And the one i was looking at was fully optioned - with cage. I think STO is a car you buy with clear intention of doing a lot of circuit with low expectations of return upon resale. I think if you approach it on that basis you will be fine. It certainly looks the part as a boy racer, and will no doubt be exciting and fun to drive on the track (if you can fit in it with a helmet on)....another potential issue.
I'm sure they'll be some limited edition 765LT, look what they did with the 600LT and 620R. And production numbers between the STO & 765LT coupe makes the 765LT coupe rarer but if you combine the 756LT coupe + spyder because there's no STO spyder the STO will probably be rarer. I feel the 765LT will have the same path as the 675LT, prices went crazy for a while but came crashing down to reality.
Only difference is it’s the last of the non hybrid. I think it holds strong. Coupes are going 100k over for the ask. Have not seen that with Mclaren’s before. Time will tell but spiders are always more desirable than the coupes.
Maybe, but I gave up on any thought these cars were going to return upon resale a long time ago. I guess if you're like Dusty who just buys these cars for a few days using finance to claim ownership and knowledge to spout nonsense off on line then these things will matter, but for those of us who actually buy these cars to actually drive and use in their intended purpose you have to expect losses. PS re that 620r it at least has good rearward vis and has good luggage space and is very rare - so is more usable and visually acceptable for street use. 620R may represent a far more attractive proposition to many enthusiasts over an STO I suspect.
Lets assume you are right with your prediction, this wont change how great the 765 is which will always mean it will have value. 675's values have risen as well and not many for sale anymore. The STO will be a great car I'm sure and I look forward to receiving mine.
To be clear, I don’t have wife issues. I’m building a 9 car garage. She doesn’t like cars, but she loves me, and I love cars. So there it is.
I dunno…the 675LT had the 765LT on the horizon…the 765LT has the electrified abominations on the horizon. That’s a crucial difference.
Agree. Hybridization has two camps. The first nostalgic camp doesn’t want anything to do with it. Second group can’t have full EV fast enough.
