Since when did anyone feel sorry for noone1? Plus Dusty doesn't even serve as entertainment value....zero value actually. I had to laugh at his suggestion he would be like a Mr JWW. Doesn't he realize that would actually mean actually driving the cars beyond sunset strip and offering more than 3 words commentary? I just picture it now. Meh (his new favorite one liner). sounds crap (his second fav). Looks too old (a new addition!) They would boot him off youtube in no time at all. You see noone would always be very well researched so, whatever take he did present on the cars he didn't own, he at least projected some level of credibility. Dustys cred is essentially sub zero (shot) yet he lords himself, speaking as if he is the last word. It's a joke!
1. Has been on my ignore list for 2 years, so I have no idea and no concern 2. Dont care 3. There’s always a few of them, anywhere you go
I’ve been told there won’t be a 780R or whatever it would have been called. We know McLaren will build ~1,530 765’s but nobody can say with certainty how many STOs will be made over its two year run. The final numbers will probably be similar, or at least not enough to sway values one way or the other. My main issue with the STO is the tacky marketing campaign. At least they got rid of ALA which I always felt was a gimmick. If it was so great, why haven’t other VAG brands like Porsche and Audi adopted it? And why was it dropped on the STO? They claim it’s because they wanted to honour a direct lineage with the GT3 race car which isn’t permitted active aero. Pure marketing spin if you ask me. It’s snake oil.
Gotta love the bravado lol. Hide as thick as noones 2 hahaha. Pretty sure you feel those hounds teeth snapping at your heels. But you are right in saying there are always a few - as in Zues Ounds etc but you top the list for sure. Been sailing under the radar for years. Much as was the case with Noone. As they say BS may get you through the front door but it won't keep you there.
Reggiani & Co would argue that ALA was a success and not snake oil because they broke two ring records, skeptics and those who race for a living will say otherwise. And I believe with the STO they were able to achieve better aero and down force via the LDVI and driving settings, something like 50% more down force than the Perf but I get what you're saying....if ALA was so great why did it appear on only two models.
I have heard back from two SA from mcleron tonight and both said the same thing: sold out. Spider may be possible though. OTOH, pista are out there but a quick look shows that there aren’t many for sale right now. And pricing on pista spiders is waaaaay up.
No i don't - i will ask the dealer then as i will lock my configuration in months. I may also visit the factory in a couple of weeks so i can see live the various options
Carbon is beautiful for sure in these cars, but i am trying to be wise this time - I am debating if look is worth such a big ticket item in this specific car that is already very aggressive on the basic options. Let's see if i can see one at the factory so i can compare
My 2 cents on Pista vs 765 vs STO as i have considered them all Pista - In my opinion the most elegant of the three, and i am sure that the design will be super attractive in 10+ years from now. It would be my top pick and still debating if I should buy one used, but: - It is turbo, and in terms of feeling noise response etc. will never be like an N/A - The car dimension is massive and feels massive (check the technical data i.e. wheelbase), which means will drive in a way different from what I personally prefer - I am concerned about the next "pista" in this segment (F8 with a bit more boost) which will spoil my ownership to be honest. - Value for money: buying a 2018 (out of warranty) car that has the same price of a brand new 2022 car, I wonder if make sense 765 - i am coming out from 5 years of ownership of the 650S Spider (full carbon options and P1 seats...): - while i loved the drive and raw feeling, quality wise was a quite shabby to be honest, and of course warranty was super important as it saved me several tens of thousands in repairs. I had 6-8 months of downtime for that. - I didn't like anymore the massive turbo lag and super slow shifting - this is something i found also in the 600LT, where they have improved the shifting speed but the turbo lag is there and you cannot play around the accelerator to have controlled powerslides as there is a point in the RPM where the power is on/off and I didn't feel comfortable to play around with that. I don't want to commit a large amount of money and then i find the same issue with the 765 - the big plus would be a spider with these performances, but again, if you are not looking for how it drives and feels, why not a 458 spider, cheaper and much more iconic in my opinion... STO: what attracts me is the N/A V10, the noise and the rawness - i would be already happy if it is the same as the Performante, which is one of the few cars made me smile just driving around, and on track was decent - my only negative was the too soft suspensions for my driving style but I understand they have fixed this in the STO. I like the uncompromised look, boy racer, childish look, uncomfortable, unpractical, but this is it...it is the child's dreams coming true after working hard for decades! If I need comfort and performances I would rater buy a Ferrari Roma, which in my opinion one of the best GT cars out there In writing the above, I am keeping in mind how I feel when I drive my .2 GT3RS Weissach. It is only a sport car (not super), it is very slow compared to the above, but it is a quite analogic in the feeling and you can really do crazy things with that car...
I agree with much of this but you can't compare a 650 to a 765. They are worlds apart in every way. I would never have purchased a 12c or 650.
It was 2015, at that time a phenomenal car, no regrets, 5 years of great memories, including 1 year of drives in Italy which is priceless. Spider also... But I am not ready to commit to McLaren Again yet
I don't think Mclaren or anyone else really cares, not that 765's are available for you to deliberate over. I also note you base conclusions upon the reading of a spec sheet and deem cars unsuitable to your "driving style" without even driving them? Seriously? So you say Pista "feels massive" and the turbo motor not as responsive? But you haven't even driving the car! Oh, my, gawwd! Where does it end..? Your account so far is like reading another noone1/Dusty review. So you give a verdict without driving the cars and put a price of 2 cents on it? I think you have overvalued it. Sigh... here we go again. HOUNDS!!!
Hey take it easy, what did I say to deserve such harsh comment? In my message I expressed my personal opinions on cars, people can agree or disagree. That's it. Also, with all due respect, we never met so you don't know which cars I have owned, driven etc, so again take it easy. Except the 765 which is very very rare, I have driven them in various occasions so I have some personal opinions of what I should buy or not (for example as a McLaren customer for 5 years I have been invited to drive their demos). Pista is a great car, I love it and is at the top of my choices now (another car that is 2 years out so plenty of chances to test drive). I am new here and I came here to ask few advices on the STO to people that have more knowledge I do on Lambo, and I got already very valuable insights, if you cant bear what I say put me in the ignore list.
STO ticks all the boxes for me as a millennial and I disagree its only good for the circuit. Otherwise go minimal spec because it will get damaged one way or another.
First of all welcome and I see you have been christened by Shadow. He doesnt pull punches and calls it like it is so take it for better or worse. Regarding your comments, I cant square the first two regarding the Pista and 765. First of all, no the Pista is not NA, but its probably the most non turbo turbo out there with no lag. It doesnt feel big, its quite nimble and plenty fast. As far as value- only you can decide that but in this market, Pista values are not going down. Not anytime soon from what it appears. and there is no "next Pista"- This is it. F8 is the last of the non hybrids and is being replaced by the 296. With regards to the 765- the 650 is a POS. I was debating buying a 650 back in the day (2015 I think) and it was between a 488 and the 650. The 650 turb0 lag is awful I couldn't stand it. But the 720 which I have now put close to 7000 miles on- zero lag. Its a completely different car than the 650. I imagine that the 765 is even better but having not driven- ill not comment on this. Build quality will always be better on a Lambo as its an Audi basically and better on ferrari than a Mclaren but the quality is much improved on the newer mclarens over the 650 era of cars. Good luck on your hunt but dont count out Pista and 765 without driving them. The power differnce between the STO and the Pista/765 is massive. Cant appreciate without getting behind the wheel which is the point that Shadow was trying to make.
Ignore the haters bud. There are really good people on FChat who provide valuable insights. Its a good place to be. And the STO is THE most exciting car available at the moment - IMO of course
