How does new paint effect value of a 328?

Hello All, I'm new to older Ferrari's. I recently acquired an '88 328 that has 5-6 small dents (like hail dents) on the front bonnet. I'd like to get these repaired but was told I run the risk of the paint cracking and then the bonnet needing a respray. The car has it's original paint and would hate to get into this repair and do something that effects the originality and/or value of the car. Just curious to get some opinions. Would it be better to just live with the small dents and leave the car original or fix the dents knowing the bonnet may need new paint? If painted would this have a big impact on the cars value?

Thanks,

Chance

 

Personally, I would rather have a car without dents. Plus, there's a chance the paint won't crack. It's pretty common for these cars to have resprayed bumpers and hoods.

 

Depends on how bad the dents are. Original paint is only desirable if it's in good condition, so repainting one panel isn't going to diminish the car's value by any meaningful amount. Get the dents pulled by a good PDR place and repaint if you need to without worrying.

 

I also had a few hail-sized dents on the front trunk lid of my original-paint 328. I had a paintless dent removal specialist work his magic...he achieved perfect results with no paint cracking. The paint is more flexible than you might think.

Also, I don’t think some minor paintwork will diminish the value of your 328...these cars are now over 30 years old and virtually all of them have had some paint touch-ups over the decades.

Good luck,
Alan
N.J.

 

Original paint on a non-metallic colored 328 is single stage paint. Modern paint is two stage (clear coat).

Mixing and matching single stage and clear coat paint can be tough to get correct.

Never respray unless you must.

Re-sprays kill value. Original is everything.

 

If you are happy with the car as is, leave it alone. If, as it appears, you are not, have the dents removed and, if necessary respray the bonnet/front clip. As noted, this is a common procedure. I agree that if it's metallic as opposed to a solid color, a color match can be very difficult. But I have seen several standard 3x8 Rosso Corso bonnets/front clips resprayed with color + clear and absolutely no way to detect that visually from the rest of the car/original paint.

I have had mixed results with paintless dent removal so, if you go that route, be mentally prepared to be unhappy with the results and need to do bonnet/repray anyway. Not saying that will happen, just don't be shocked if it does.

 

My first Ferrari (1984 GTB QV) was acquired from Des Moines Iowa. Previous owner had the carpet slide forward and had the unwanted” Ferrari cruise control” take him off the road and through a cornfield which intern put about 7 dents in the front bonnet. Once I got it home I called my buddy in Missoula Montana that does PDR and he came up on the weekend, we removed the front bonnet and placed on two covered sawhorses and he made that hood look like new again. There is no way I could leave those dents in the hood, it would drive me crazy LOL
I have always had terrific luck with PDR technicians. But would suggest reading the reviews before hand.

 

In the big picture it really makes little if any difference. It will be a problem for someone looking for a concours car. It is NOT a problem for someone looking for a great driver.

I am a qualified and extremely knowledgeable long term owner of these cars and as long as it presents well with a good service history I couldn't care less.

And I am NOT the only one like me out there.

 

Is that even true? Is non-factory paint done to factory standards points off in concours judging?

 

Who knows

Some people think so and the selling market adjusts accordingly. They are only original once, right?

 

PDR is nothing short of magic
If the dents you have now did not crack the paint, neither will the PDR

 

Well, as I said earlier, I don't share the totally favorable opinion of it. It CAN work well but it totally depends on the location/depth of the dent. If it's close to a seam/ridge/curve, there's a good chance that the pointless dent repair will not work and can actually make it look worse. I have personal experience with that.

 

My PDR guy used a heat gun to warm up the paint as he removed some dents in my 79 308. This is another way to reduce the chance of cracking the paint.


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The thing that WILL effect the cars value is the cars overall appearance.

If the car has some form of damage such has dents, scratches or scrapes (but original paint) on the bonnet it is less desirable then a car that has had a first class front clip "blow over" that looks factory fresh.

I agree with Mike, I've seen plenty of single stage versus clear coat front end resprays and you visually can't tell the difference.

Nearly every 308/328 has had paint somewhere or other, especially on the front end as they are so low and stone chip prone.

Re-sprays don't kill the cars value... only bad ones do !!

Try the paintless dent guy and if it fails just get it it resprayed by an expert who knows how to match the existing paint.

It's as simple as that.

No, if the paint work is correctly finished and colour matched then other then under the "Preservation Class" rules you would not lose any points under standard Concorso judging.

 

Thanks everyone for the feedback, much appreciated!

 

"Nearly every 308/328 has had paint somewhere or other, especially on the front end as they are so low and stone chip prone."

Not this 328! Original paint, every panel. All things being equal, a 328 with original paint is manifestly more valuable than a re-spray.

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That's great, I have one too.

But tell me where are you getting this information from ?

Show me the price of a completely original paint car and then show me the price of a car which has had some (not all) fresh paint in similar condition and miles that is "manifestly" more valuable please.

 

the concept is self-evident
a classic is only original once
paint meter readings included with classic car ads proves my point

 

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A sharp-eyed observer will note the center caps are NOT original.
I am on the hunt for excellent condition originals, which are rare and hard to find.
The center cap plastic simply does not age well, even for a car that has spent most of its life indoors.
If anyone has a pristine set of original caps, PM me.
I will pay handsomely.

 

That being said, original paint 308 are hard to find and i can understand a buyer's willingness to compromise on original 308 paint
Over time, the non-galvanized 308 body panels rust with just the moisture in the air
Ferrari started modern corrosion protection measures around 1985/1986 when the 328 came out
Rust still happens, but original paint/non-rusted 328 still exist and command a premium

 

What rubbish !!

Paint meter readings are put in advertisements by car dealers to try and make their car stand out from the crowd in the aim of convincing potential buyers that it's important, but as I said, find me any evidence that a completely original paint car and one that has some paint that has been an expertly applied is worth significantly more in value.

If original paint on a 328 (a medium to low value car by Ferrari standards anyway) was such a major factor in a cars value then why is it not specified in Ferrari's own Classiche certification program?

Yet I see many ads for better 328's have Classiche documentation mentioned as being included with the car.

I think you have too much "skin in the game" to look at it objectively.

 

"All things being equal" and also that the car is in excellent condition. Two crashed 308s in the Copart auction lot and one has factory original paint and the other doesn't. No one cares. But dented, scraped, and checked original paint vs. a straight and perfect body with fresh paint? Fresh paint will be worth more. It's only when you get down to point where you are nit-picking will original paint matter. And even then only to the collectors, not the drivers.

 

i think you have a re-sprayed car

 

You might want to do some research on here first before go making statements on cars that you clearly can't back up.

 

your standards are simply lower than mine
buy all the re-sprayed cars you want
leave the originals for me