Pista Spider or Speciale Aperta

Torn between the two now… values are similar at this point.
Factors in consideration:

Design
Drivability
Sound
Value

First two, design and drivability, Pista would be an easy win.
Sound, I thirst for the F1 pitch and found it in my previous Speciale with full system IPE straight piped. If the Pista were straight piped, could it sound nearly as good?
Value, this is where it seems unpredictable. Today, both are in the $700k range. SA 1/499 should go up. Pista Spider, how many ?…. will values hold?
Really it’s about timing as well.
Perhaps enjoy Pista Spider now and later pick up SA for long term collectibility.


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I'd personally go for the spec, it's basically the perfect car.

I can see these going for silly amounts of money in the future.

 

Being the last normally aspirated V8, in the long term the value of the Speciale should fare better than the Pista.

 

Obviously this all comes down to subjective tastes and magic crystal ball predictions, at which everyone fails.
So the question only is: what do you prefer based upon what you are seeing in the market?
I have a feeling future values, even if differing by several hundred grand will have exactly zero impact on your own future financial health.

For me:
Design—458SA
Drivability—equal
Sound—458SA
Value—who cares?

 

Can't go wrong either way but to me the Pista is the better total package regardless of the 458 being NA. If your concerned about long term value I believe they will do equally as well but no one here has a crystal ball. The market will always fluctuate.

 

Great point…value should be placed lower on the priority list, as it doesn’t hold any emotive value. I guess this aspect is all about timing. Values being equal today, I may try the PS for now and if it doesn’t tug at the heart, then the SA could be a future long term keeper.

The other 3 factors are what stirs the soul.
Interesting how you voted differently with the 458SA - you like the cleaner design? Pista more aggressive but SA smooth.
Drivability I guess depends on if one is seeking performance vs a sense of rawness. Sound, well there are tons of threads, won’t beat a dead horse. But I’m wondering if straight piping the PS will get close to my previously straight piped Speciale.

These cars are like dating women…who said it - “I’m not a player, I just crush a lot” [emoji38]


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When it comes to the Pista design I really have a hard time with the transition from the angular (even squared off edges) of the front “wing” part ahead of the s-duct over to the dramatic waterfall design of the front bonnet. When you stand in front of the car and look down the edges of the front section are nearly 90 degrees. I also don’t like the enormous “caked-on” look of the rear diffuser unit. From the side view at the front the pointed upper part relative to the lower spoiler looks like a bad overbite on a shark to me.

The overall design of the Speciale (SA) to me is more harmonious, more female beauty—but it is a female that has spent time in the gym with a muscular physique, not just soft and round (like Roma). The curves flow from one body section to the next, smooth transitions, like it was sculpted from air. To me, again all IMO, the Pista is “trying too hard” to be cool and relevant looking in the modern Instagram-exaggerated-age.

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Highly agree with the design and sound being better with the 458 and drivability being about the same. If buying as an investment I’d buy the 458 too but the great point made above I would agree with “several hundred grand will have exactly zero impact on your own future financial health” if looking at cars in this stratosphere.


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Vote for the 458SA, this video is such fun

 

This one is easy for me since I absolutely cannot tolerate the look of the Pista’s front bumper/S-duct. Front certain angles, it looks pre-crashed from the factory. A stubbed nose if you will. Obviously looks are only subjective. When it first came out, I wanted to buy one - because Ferrari! The dealer wanted to sell it to me as well. But I just couldn’t pull the trigger every time. It’s a great car otherwise! Although, even if straight piped it won’t come close to the IPE on your old Speciale.

 

Spec A. Keeper for me along with acr-e. Last of an era.

 

I think if you drive aggressively on the road, Aperta all the way. If you do track driving and/or keep the traction control on, perhaps the Pista would be better for you. The added power is undeniable.

For me, CT Off in a Speciale is the way to go. I can overdrive the rear some without fear of death. I did 300+ miles in my Speciale on the tail of the dragon today, and at no point did I find myself wishing I had the Pista's extra boatload of torque. The Speciale has plenty for spirted street driving. (Now if I was at a high horsepower track, and you were buying the brakes, I'd want a Pista. :-D )

 

Design. Pista
Drivability. Pista
Instant gratification. 458 SA
Rewarding effort. Pista
Sound. Straight piped Pista
Value. Ask the crystal ball


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Plastique -

Enjoy reading your posts and love looking at your white cars …. Go 458SA . I think your gut wants that one - long term keeper.

MDS

 

IMO the SA will do better value wise. Last NA and known limited production.

While all the VS cars are a bit raw, each successive VS car has moved away from the sports car end of the continuum and toward the GT end. For me, the SA is the best balance of any of them, neither too raw nor too smooth.

The Pista has made more strides toward usability and comfort which is great if you want to tour with the car. IMO it has given up some of that rawness that I seek in the VS cars.


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At these prices, neither. Wait for the pop.

Then it’s just preference. SA is wobbly as a driver. Pista doesnt sound as good, but the rest is stellar.
If buying for appreciation, Speciale.

 

Appreciate it and you are right, long term I’ll shoot for an SA
Guess I’m trying to have a fling with the Pista Spider?… I may enjoy it ….


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Why would there be a pop? (price goes down)

the EU is making it clear all combustion engines must exit production in less than 15 years and every new Ferrari reveal forever more appears to only be hybrids and eventually EV-only

I presume all Ferraris that are not hybrid/EV are going to continue to appreciate because that's it, it's all over, that makes all Ferraris "limited production" since there are no more after the F8 exits production (and Roma/Portofino)

 

I wouldn't count Front Engine Wet Sumps. But either way they will also be V6's/electric

 

These cars exist to instil excitement and enhance the enjoyment of life. How many actually purchase a super car as an investment. The overwhelming majority of exotics are depreciating assets. Purchasing one that is not your driving preference due to it depreciating at a slower rate than the more exciting car that will be less valuable at the end of ownership, seems to defeat the intended purpose of purchasing an exotic. Only in the circumstance where both cars provide equal satisfaction but in different ways, would the degree of depreciation take on greater significance.

 

I've had both... I kept the SA. Both for the long term appreciation as well as drive/sound.

 

There is a perfect Pista Spider spec in Canada. Has anyone brought a car into the U.S. from Canada?
Difficult process?
Effect value ?
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I own both, and love driving these great spiders. The Pista is more advanced, but the extra revs on the speciale is more fun than the rapid redline in the Pista. The Aperta feels more raw and less refined but very confidence inspiring. I prefer the sound of the high revving Aperta over the Pista’s turbo muffled bellowing exhaust, but the aero on the Pista is superior and I love it’s looks. It’s a really tough choice, but I think the Speciale Aperta will be more historically significant because it’s the last naturally aspirated V8 so if I was forced to keep just one of them it would be the Aperta.

 

I agree with all of that re: the design- it's why I went with the F8 spider instead of Pista/PA. I usually feel like that about most track variants and 'updates'. I think the F12 looks waaaay better than the TdF, the F8 looks waaaay better than the P/PA, the original Aventador looks waaaay better than the S/SVJ, etc.* Now granted- all 3 of my Ferraris are gray and are specced sans scuderia shields, so I'm likely not the most representative barometer by which to guage what the true Tifosi like. Within the last year, a gray TdF sans shields popped up for sale. I really wanted to like the car, but just couldn't get over how 'busy' ('fussy' as Chris Harris would say) it is, and just couldn't pull the trigger.

Mike

* Dont even get me going on the new 812 variant- 'overwrought' would be charitable.

 

I bought my first Ferrari from Canada many many years ago. At the time it was NAFTA and the 2.3 percent import tax was waived. A host of documents certifying that the car met EPA/Dept of Transportation precepts had to be filled out. The selling dealer can process those for you. BTW the aforementioned Pista Spider I notice is tailor made with delivery miles. A spectacular find and selling at prevailing prices less than you would find here in the US; worth a call to the dealer to determine if it is a fit and can be imported.