F8 or STO?

Odd take indeed, hope it works out well for you!

Frankly, I don't recall there ever being a car which has crushed so many Ferrari owners dreams in a shorter space of time than what the 765 has - and the often unrelenting and emotive justification from certain members (inc Jcmd's) stands as proof positive of this being the case - and, also using your post as yet another text book example again.... kinda sounds a bit like the little boy who missed out on getting his ice cream cone at the beach because there wasn't enough to go around - telling the other kids " well, I didn't want one anyway"!!

PS. And btw the not eating of a crap sandwich was a poor metaphor because it contradicts the very point you are desperately trying to convey. As in:- How would you even know any sandwich is crap until you've tasted it?

 

Can't imagine how many F8 buyers even considered the STO and vice-versa.

 

I think these cars are too diverse from what I can see to make a call either way, so it comes down to specific usage and expectation.

The F8 is by far the more practical and easy to live with, jack of all trades type sports car, vs the STO which is heavily compromised and more purpose built to suit a track environment - being its main and better purpose. The STO will be a great car but it is a one trick pony in comparison to an F8 and it's the kind of car to where you would be better to own the F8 as well.

I think even if the Pista vs STO question was asked, again it falls back into much the same situation, notwithstanding the Pista being a very competitive track specific tool as well.

 

Shadow,

Your text book is wrong in my case, for some reason you lump posters together. You stand behind this facade of "keeping it real" and not having a filter, but really you just can't stand people having different opinions....are you going to call out the hounds on me like you did on another recent post before you were banned?

I can like whatever car brand for any reason I want, as can you. The difference is I didn't call you out on your preferences. I hope you have a good ownership experience.

 

Well you came across as such so... If the cap fits wear it!

And always feel free to call me out on my choices. I'm perfectly OK with that.

And not being able to stand anyone's opinions? I love opinions - it's actually genuine user opinions I come here for to read - but it's the BS, fraudulent representations, and denials which I definitely have a distinct dislike for.

 

Maybe this was a cultural mismatch, this is not referring to a sandwich that doesn't taste good (like baloney), but what the sandwich is made from.

And not wanting a McLaren for all the reasons I pointed out has nothing to do with your ice cream scenario.

 

If you say so.

 

I have no reason to call you out on your choices....I hope everyone on this forum is happy with their choice. Too bad others don't share that viewpoint.

 

That's fine. But if ever you feel the need please don't hold back.

 

I have the same interest level whether they make 1 or 1,000,000 765LTs.

 

Let me know if you feel the same after driving one. Until that point all the back and forth is a road to nowhere.

 

Those can be some great roads....usually the journey is more fun than the destination.

 

Very true.

Similarly it could be said it is sometimes better to NOT know what you're missing out on or, "what you don't know won't hurt you"! It's less less costly that way too.

I recall my very first run in my gt2rs and the thoughts which went through my head.

I owned a 488 at that stage with a Pista incoming and had been planning to ditch my 2rs allocation due to the sheer expense (which was huge for a 911), but the order got called before the Pista and, with Pista's allocation still not 100% I reluctantly decided to go through with the 2rs just in case the Pista fell through....which it was starting to look like because Ferrari was not prepared to give me a definitive answer.

As you may know it was a totally different market back at that time and every man and his dog wanted these 2rs's and Pista's and, it was only the very lucky few that were even being considered. Anyway long story short, I was driving the 2rs on its maiden voyage on a pretty amazing winding country backroad and I couldn't stop thinking how I dodged a MAJOR bullet by not passing the 2rs up. The car was just so good it was just mind-blowing in comparison to any thing i'd ever driven or owned to that day. In a way I liken the 765 to that day. I never thought i'd buy a Mclaren due to harboring certain negative thoughts along the same vein which you have expressed and now I'm a changed man. Now, if I hadn't driven the 2rs I would have been none the wiser and would have convinced myself it could never have been worth the money. Again the 765 is in that category.

I've learned to never say never, but in the same token what you don't know wont hurt you. So long as you can keep it that way you will be fine.

 

Right on. Ignorance is bliss. Life is much simpler when choices are kept to a minimum. Any super car that might be a contender peaks my interest. After driving previous Mclarens - 650, 570, 720, did not compel a purchase. Life changed with the 765 which enhanced my enjoyment of driving to a level I never believed possible.

 

Everyone should be happy with their choice. If not, trade your choice in for another choice.You can't choose your family, but a car you can.

 

Interestingly, your posts seem to be the most biased so this doesn't seem sincere. Most people here own Ferrari, Lambo and McLarens that are giving you real world feedback but some (like yourself) dont seem to appreciate it. Yes this is a Ferrari forum but we cant help to compare one to another because they are all competing in the same space and many of us appreciate them all. This is my take sitting back and reading all the comments.

 

If it seems I don’t appreciate it, it is because I have no interest in the brand at this time. I would also feel the same about a Rolls Royce. If this was a 765LT vs. whatever thread, I most likely would not be posting in it....except maybe to converse with @cadster, who is truly one of the great people here.

Please remember, this is a F8 vs STO thread and I have an interest in both for a future purchase, although I am currently smitten with a 812GTS.

Also keep in mind I have not disparaged a 765LT in any way. I hope all the owners have great ownership experiences.

 

You are not the only one interested in an STO who is commenting. I also have one coming (as well as a GTS) and so do some others that might not be saying it. As I stated these cars all play in the same sandbox so it is relevant to discuss them all and compare regardless of the title. You can always ignore or leave the thread if you cant handle it.

 

@Shark01 is one of the good guys. That he doesn’t like McLaren does not matter to me at all. He’s certainly entitled to his opinion. Shark is a legit passionate car guy with two incredible icon’s in his garage (FGT and Diablo Roadster), and, most importantly, he drives them. Shark is good for the forum, and he makes meaningful contributions. He does not lob rhetorical grenades, he does not troll, he’s not a kid in his mom’s basement, and he does not misrepresent his ownership.

Overall, the forum experience is best when we keep the debate isolated to the cars only. I like a vigorous debate, the more vigorous the better. But when the dialogue becomes personal, I lose interest.

Before anyone says anything about me sounding hypocritical, I will say it for you. I jumped all over Noone back in the day, and Shadow and I have obviously had our own skirmishes. I let the emotion of wanting to be right, get the better of my normal decision of taking the high road.

All I am saying, is that the forum in general, and this thread in particular, is better with more participants freely sharing their opinions, rather than fewer.

 

Looks hot in black. You can't go wrong with a black lambo plus STO already has a lot going on which is also why the brown car works well enough without taking it further.

 

“Can’t handle it?”......LOL

Thanks for your contributions to film Mr Cruise

 

Opinions , devoid of actual driving experience, have very limited utility and offer little in the way of edification.

 

Thanks, I would tag your post with a like but it would be a little self serving.

 

It doesn't bother me - his loss. But the 765 must clearly bother Sharko1 or he wouldn't have felt so compelled to push his own barrow in the manner which he did. So I will stick with my ice cream cone scenario as he has failed to convince me otherwise.

You both must be friends and I applaud you for standing up for him the way you have. Friends should at least try to stand up for one another. I'm sure he is a nice guy too and has value to offer on those occasions where he is speaking from having experience in the matters he is commenting on.

However, it is hard to overlook what shark01 has posted here which sparked my response, and, anyone genuine in their undertakings - as in had no hate for the brand - would have NO need to post what he said. If it didn't matter to him then why bother arguing or projecting an opinion over something which didn't matter to him anyway?? My money is on it matters to him, hence the justification ritual. But I'm OK with that - but there is no point him trying to hide his intentions in smoke and mirrors because the smell of BS is still too strong/there.

 

Depends on the point being discussed. If it is design language or sound quality or quantity as heard from the outside of a car for example, no driving experience is needed.