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  1. Terra

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    #201 Terra, Jul 23, 2021
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    So Lewis 100% wouldn’t have made it through Copse if not for the wheel-to-wheel contact with Max, which “slowed” Lewis down just enough to make Lewis’ unorthodox line miraculously work. Okay, now I got it.

    Whatever lifting he may have done at the very last instant (i.e. none of us have seen the telemetry), was done in the instantaneous realization Mad Max was going to chop across his bow. Truly a game of chicken where neither were seemingly prepared (or willing) to give quarter to the other.
     
  2. F2003-GA

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  3. Natkingcolebasket69

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    I mean. Let’s be sensible here. Stewards who know more about f1 (you would think) gave him the penalty so clearly it was more on Lewis side.
    The real question to me was more was the punishment worthy or not?
    Watching some old f1 I Rmbr Schumacher getting a stop and go (still winning) for something far less important than this…
    In my mind when I saw Lewis was being penalized that’s what I thought would happen. He got lucky and I guess the championship got revitalized… but Hungary, should be Max’s… looking at the remaining tracks I’m not sure where Mercedes has the edge without improvements: probably monza, spa, Germany maybe?
    Max is still in the driver seat in my opinion


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  4. Bas

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    I don't think Lewis lifted at all. In copse, the position Lewis found himself in, he needed to be clearly ahead earlier for it to be called ''his'' corner, not by not lifting and turning later. If those are the rules you can run anyone wide all the time and call it ''my corner''. Thems not the rules.

    Racing 101.
     
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  6. Patrick Dixon

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    It's hardly the same thing since VER ruined his own race at Silverstone. Just lucky he didn't take out HAM as well really.
     
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    The Stewards disagree with you.
     
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    I need to send this quote to a “friend”….which race was this?
     
  9. RobertJRB

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    On Dutch television they even mentioned the crowd being fair and not celebrating Verstappens crash.
     
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  11. RobertJRB

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    Max driving makes Max look good.

    Hamilton doesn’t drive cautious. Verstappen defends his position wel enough so Hamilton simply can’t overtake. He holds Hamilton off.
    That’s not bad or aggressive driving by Verstappen. It’s racing and good defending within the limits.

    What happened here is that Hamilton needed to overtake Verstappen as soon as possible and simply made an error. Did a do or die move not ruining his own race but that of Verstappen.
    If we gonna see more of those desperate moves in the future I hope the stewards step in.
     
  12. F2003-GA

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    Utter nonsense
     
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    Sorry, unlucky, because having that idiot out is always a good thing...
     
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    +1

    Good defending is a dying part of the craft IMHO.
    It could be that the majority of DRS era drivers accept being passed much easier than previous generations.
     
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  15. Patrick Dixon

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    You do know that's a fly mask don't you? I think you need to find a photo of you wearing blinkers ;->
     
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    I'll stick to F1 then, I know little about horses.

    Really not sure why you say I'm the one wearing blinkers. Please post evidence how I'm the one blinded here.
    Seems he's also in the ''lewis is at fault'' camp, as he's not disagreeing with the stewards. About the only thing he can utter is that Max should've kept his championship lead in mind and could've rolled over. I.e. Lewis still at fault.
     
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    “Lead”?
     
  18. Terra

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    #219 Terra, Jul 25, 2021
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    Led. My bad (i.e. my brain got confused between the hominem for the "lead" in a pencil and the correct past tense conjugation of the verb "to lead," which should be "led")
     
  19. Terra

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    I think Martin Brundle is saying they both share blame, but perhaps Lewis shares more of the blame (i.e. 70-30), based on the stewards' decision. Kind of like the "contributory negligence" doctrine auto insurance companies use when trying to calculate respective blame in a collision, etc.
     
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  20. CRG125

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    Agreed, for him to pull a pass like that it be under braking into a hairpin
     
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  21. Bas

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    Direct quote in the article:

     
  22. Terra

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    Martin Brundle’s view (in the same article) of how he believed the stewards saw it:

    “However, the Stewards decided Hamilton was 'predominantly' to blame for the contact and gave him a 10-second penalty to be served at his next pit stop. This means likely 70/30 to blame but not wholly.”
     
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  23. Bas

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    ok just so we're on the same page:

    He's said that the stewards gave lewis a penalty, and the severity of the penalty is 70-30.

    In the same article he also writes that he believes Max was not to blame (i.e. his own opinion it reeds like to me).
     
  24. Patrick Dixon

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    Brundle has his opinion, ALO and LEC both thought it was a racing accident. Several other commentators also felt it was a racing incident, and some thought it was more HAM. So opinions vary. The only ones I've seen that think VER was completely innocent are the RB camp, and the Hamilton haters on here.

    Personally, I think had VER scrambled round to the pits and rejoined and HAM been eliminated at Copse, the Stewards would have given VER a 10 sec penalty.
     
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