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  1. Thecadster

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    I sure hope so, but why? And if it turns out that the STO does not sound as good as the Performante I recently gave up, I am going to be inconsolable.
     
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  2. wthensler

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    FWIW, according to my dealer, the STO will have a rev limiter set to 3,500 in “N”. Not sure if this pertains to 2021s.

    It does not explain the other observations made here regarding sound.
     
  3. Gh21631

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    I don't think he was wringing out the car. Someone let him borrow it and I think he was a being conservative/respectful.
     
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  4. Coincid

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    I would be shocked if the STO does not at least equal the Performante in sound.
     
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  5. Shack

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    STUNNING and will make its competition seem pedestrian :)

    Bravo McLaren
     
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  6. Shadowfax

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    #881 Shadowfax, Jul 27, 2021
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    Yes the sound was indeed just a tease and, anticlimactic - Chainsaw like.

    Jww was clearly out to review the car as favorably as possible so to keep in good stead to whomever loaned him the car to sample however, it was hard not to miss a few subtle hints he had to let slip/express regarding certain realities - such as the unsuitability of the suspension ride and set up for backroads, which is where these types of cars are essentially driven outside of a racetrack.

    The big difference between the STO and other track focused versions (Pista, 765, 620r, gt2/gt3rs etc) is that their suspension set ups don’t skip around and break traction on back roads. That is quite a big deal actually.

    This situation may not bother the poser types, but for those who actually plan driving the car outside of a racetrack it wont take long for the novelty to wear off.
     
  7. Mortarion

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    Lol, luckily my backyard has beautiful smooth windy roads.
     
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  8. Shadowfax

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    I think many who will buy these will be perfectly fine as their garage floors are billiard table smooth.;)
     
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  10. ScrappyB

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    The STO product guide states “Improved engine sound sharpness at high revs”. Having never owned or driven a Huracan, I have no baseline to compare. Here’s an onboard video of a prototype car routinely hitting the rev limiter. I presume the exhaust on this car was production representative.

    Also, the car boasts Magnaride 2.0 so they should be able to tune a relatively compliant ride in the softest street setting.

     
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  11. Shadowfax

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    #886 Shadowfax, Jul 27, 2021
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    I liked JWW’s analogy of the jetski and how he couldn’t help but demonstrate it a few times.

    He appeared initially humored by the surprise novelty of being jiggered up and down with the traction intermittently breaking each time he applied full throttle, but im pretty certain that particular novelty would have worn thin by the time he returned the car.

    Ps. Scrappy i also thought he made it pretty clear he was in the correct ride setting for the road and not the track setting.

    And re your vid its pretty clear its hitting the limiter with no real crescendo going on. Just a noise mainly and very chainsaw’ish in note. Im afraid to say there’s nothing particularly special going on in the sound department. I reckon my Pista sounds way better hitting up against the limiter and certainly more seductive in overall note. The Sto sounds like a chainsaw being thrashed out. Louder doesnt equate to better either.

    The sound of it is not a patch against the sound of my gt3rs on circuit. No comparison!
     
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  12. Jo Sta7

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    Forget that.
     
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  13. Mortarion

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    I think it sounds fine.. Then again I own a F8 lmao.
     
  14. ScrappyB

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    To be clear, I said they ‘should’ be able to tune a compliant ride, not saying they actually did. I wouldn’t recommend this car to anyone planning to use it for road trips - it has only enough storage for one watermelon.
     
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    #890 Shadowfax, Jul 27, 2021
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    Yeah hardly impressive considering the sheer quality and all round usability of todays alternative offerings.

    PS ..and agree with you as well scrappy - looks a bit of a worry for any other use other than a circuit. And not being able to fit a lunchbox in it isnt all that appealing either. She definitely looks to be a one trick pony. My 3rs never looked so good and im sure the 9923rs will send STO packing even more.

    Its hard to overlook the realities going on here with this STO. Looks like mainly all pose unless you plan just track.
     
  16. Coincid

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    This car does not resemble the sound of the Performante or the EVO RWD. Almost regardless of rev range and no matter in down or upshifting did the engine note change. It was a constant monotonous drone. This is a huge disappointment.

    The Performante, even in Race mode, while firm, was sufficiently compliant to traverse rough roads without losing contact to the road. Something strange is happening with the STO.
     
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  17. ScrappyB

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    I dunno. The Performante sounds pretty darn similar to the STO when you compare this video with the link that was shared a few posts back. If anything, they tuned out the excessive synthetic pops for the STO, and that’s a good thing in my opinion.

     
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    #893 Shadowfax, Jul 27, 2021
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    That synthetic repetitive backfiring going on really spoils the whole sound, so if STO has cleared that nonsense off then that's a positive. The Perf did sound to have a slightly better note about it though … a bit more believable and harmonious somewhat.

    STO OTOH just sounds like a loud chainsaw being flogged out. At this rate Lambo will need to raise STO's limit up as clearly the 8500 limit sounds like 6000 rpms or less. Very ordinary.
     
  19. ScrappyB

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    I think at this point we’re depending on the quality of the microphone to be able to discern any real difference. People with first hand experience in both cars will eventually chime in.

    My ears detected a sharper crack on up and downshifts with the STO, but it’s probably just my imagination and wishful thinking.
     
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  20. Coincid

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    The sound in this video does not resemble the sound in the previous STO. This STO sounds more gutteral, more lower frequency growl, as well as dynamically it varies in tone depending on rev range and gearing. Far more satifying and more like the Performante.

    The sound of the video of the Performante is painful to the ears. It is akin to a buzzing chainsaw and bears no resemblance to the 2 cars I owned.

    It is clear that the microphones used to record the respective engine noises vary greatly in quality. Furthermore, the distance of the placement of the microphone makes a huge difference in capturing the genuine sound.
     
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    #896 Shadowfax, Jul 27, 2021
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    I think it always pays to remain positive, but based upon what's been put up so far it's getting harder and harder to overlook the obvious. It's clearly a one trick pony car as well - hard to argue that especially with all that jet skiing going on. JWW was clearly hinting toward that being the case too - a car you can drive to and from the track - whilst being very careful with his words and expressions not to take it too far with any criticisms.

    PS Agree Coincid with that vid. Maybe Lambo removed the limiter on that car for the GFS show purposes up the hill. Definitely sounds different to all the other vids on it. My gut tells me the Perf is the more rounded package - just shame about all that ridiculous popping going on every time the throttle is lifted.
     
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  22. Coincid

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    The 2018 Performante exhibited rampant, obtrusive pops. The 2019 reduced them to a level rendering them impotent.
     
  23. ScrappyB

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    I don’t think the majority of STO buyers are expecting or wanting something more rounded than the Performante. They’re knowingly giving up practicality and the benefits of AWD for something more focused and lighter weight. The STO will undoubtedly be a sharper car and consequently more compromised on the road, as evidenced by the jet ski analogy.

    Some will be surprised and disappointed with its on-road manners while others will find it fun and exciting. I suspect those on this board with an STO on order have their eyes wide open on what this car is and what is isn’t. I personally expect (and hope) it drives how it looks.
     
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  24. Coincid

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    Intuitively, based on the design and implementation of it, it would be logical to expect the STO to offer a highly immersive and compelling driving experience. Only by driving it, will it’s true essence be revealed.
     
  25. Shadowfax

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    I totally get that, as that is STO's only appeal to me personally - and maybe i'm just pointing out the obvious which guys who plan tracking it already know - but it's good always comparing notes on what we've seen put up so far.

    So far, it's all only gone toward further confirming my original thoughts that it's a sole purpose track car which can be driven too and fro. Driving on a decent run out of town up the country or mountain pass with a few mates isn't going to be much fun for very long with all that jetski wave jumping going on that's for sure. The novelty of that will wear off very quickly. And fwiw no the Perf has no interest to me personally regardless of its superior practicality needless to add a perf is not really what I'd consider a track day car anyway.
     

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