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488 v F355 & 992 - first world issues

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  1. PorkerBus

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    Hi everyone,

    I’m in the fortunate position to change my cars regularly but I’m looking for a longer term proposition.

    Currently I have an 89 last of the impact bumper 911’s and a 6 month old 992 S Cab which I threw the kitchen sink at options wise.

    I’ve never owned a Ferrari but I think the time is now and I’d appreciate people’s thoughts and advice on what route to go.

    The 992 is an incredible car and the UK used market is crazy at the moment so after 6 months I could sell for close to what I paid, question is should I?

    I’ve tried McLarens (though not the 720) and apart from the obvious depreciation and quality issues I didn’t get on with the driving position (I love that the 992 makes me feel like I’m dragging my backside along the road).

    After much research I think I’ve narrowed it down to keeping the 992 and swapping the impact bumper for an f355 or sell both porkers for a 488.

    Or is there another option?!
     
  2. Il Co-Pilota

    Il Co-Pilota F1 Veteran

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    Hard to say as it is very personal. As much as I like the F355, the servicing costs are high and reliability is not the F355 strong suit. It is the last of the cars that need an engine-out service, and overall fit and finish is just not really there.

    What you can do really depends on the price point. The 488 is a great car, and a reliable car. And depending on the year, you can get a few years free maintenance, and you can extend the warranty.

    You need to have a chat with your local dealer and see what they have to offer. Not sure where the UK CS pricing is, but looking at where you are coming from, a 992 and a CS might be an option?

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  3. PorkerBus

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    Thanks, good advice on local dealer, unfortunately they sold the only 488 they had so will call when they have another one.

    Excuse my ignorance but do you mean Challenge Stradale?
     
  4. Il Co-Pilota

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    No excuses needed. Yes the 360CS is indeed what I meant:)

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  5. Ferrari 360 CS

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    I'd got 992 and 355 specifically because the 355 in manual form offers a truly interactive experience, in today'a terms it is not super fast but its quick enough to use the power more of the time and the sound is an event in itself.

    However, be aware that 355's are high maintenance and budget accordingly but as the V8 sings past 6500 rpm on toward 8500 rpm you can forgive the car almost anything!
     
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  6. anunakki

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    If you have the patience, the 355 wins hands down IMO. Otherwise Id go 360. I wouldnt even consider the 4XX cars.
     
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  7. cy0811

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    How about you keep the 89 and get a 458
     
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  8. audi_328

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    This is why I bought one. Once the big issues are sorted then it's (mostly) dealing with things that come up on a 25-year old car.

    Plus, it's the last of the little Ferraris...was just at a show yesterday, seeing anything newer than a 355 always reminds me they've all gotten so...big.
     
  9. MrF355

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    I have owned a 355 and have had a 488. The 355 was not sorted when I purchased it. I had it sorted out completely both mechanically valve guides etc and interior sticky buttons, leather etc. It ran beautifully and reliably. That sound with a tubi was heaven. Interior was brand new air conditioner worked great in our hot summers. I sold it to a person I keep in contact with. This was some 11 years ago and apart from annual service, cam belts, tensioner bearings water pump and all belts done every 5 years by the dealer he tells me that he has had no reliability issues. He uses her every week and at times as a daily driver. The 488 is a different world, power traction braking handling you can,t ask for better until you sample the Pista. To others that may comment to this I am die hard Ferrari so Mclaren 720S, 650 does not cut it with me.

    I have not owned a Porsche just don't like the look or interior of them. The new Turbo though does sway me towards its direction though.

    If you want old school driving no electronics apart from ABS then 355. She can be taily so if you are not a good driver you should not push a 355. Traction is high but once you pass the limit she will let go. Gearbox can be a bit notchy at times but Redline 75W 90 does make a huge difference. The 355 will show how good a driver you are as she will not cover up for your mistakes she will just kill you. If you want a computer to cover your mistakes and to make you feel like Schumacher then 488.

    They are both Ferraris so you can't go wrong with whichever you decide upon. The 355 is one of the best looking Ferrari's of all time.

    Have a look at the 430 as well it is a wonderful machine not all computer like the 458 and 488 still has some old school in her and importantly more friendly cost wise with maintenance and has retained value very well.

    Good luck and after driving each model decide with what moves your heart more.
     
  10. jc1

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    This is what I would do.
     
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  11. PorkerBus

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    Thanks for the advice, agreed manual is the way to go and spending more for the right car is a given. The 89 is similar in that most VAG diesels would nail it off the lights but thats not the point, the sound and experience make up for it but I do think the 355 is that much more special.

    Is there a reason you run both and not just the one car? I have a RR Sport for family duties so could get away with just the one (more expensive) toy.
     
  12. PorkerBus

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    Thanks, I drove a 360 over 10 years ago and IMO wasn't sold on the looks, might be worth re investigating so thanks for the suggestion.
     
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  13. PorkerBus

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    Not a bad suggestion, the 992 is just such a complete go anywhere car, rear seats, decent storage etc and as mentioned the seating position really suits my frame (even the 488 I tried felt like the seat didn't go low enough - they where standard electric not racing seats if that makes a difference in height). I haven't driven a 458 and being last of the non turbo I assume a safe place to put money so will definitely investigate further.
     
  14. PorkerBus

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    Thanks for the advice, definitely swaying towards old school and pop up headlights! I spoke to a dealer today who said he thought 488's had more to lose and the market wasn't as strong as the 458 but that the driving experience (as expected) is very different due to the extra torque and power.

    I have no issue with a car depreciating but interesting that he was the second dealer that wasn't enthusiastic about the 488. I have seen an F12 pop up for sale recently that would be in budget but I'm not sure I want to go the GT route (according to reviews).
     
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  16. MrF355

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    F12 is fantastic and my pick over a V8 but I am biased to a V12. I have had spent plenty of seat time in an F12. It is a sports car and GT tourer wrapped into one package. Always remember that with a Ferrari you need to have higher than average driving skills to really enjoy and exploit them. Forget reviews drive an F12 for yourself. I have no doubt that the low down torque and engine note will make you not want to hand the keys back.
     
  17. Themaven

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    I have a 992 C2S alongside my Ferraris, great car. If you want a manual Ferrari you should definitely consider a gated 430, last of the line, raw and exciting though not as fast or easy everyday as 488. But much more modern than a 355, depends whether you want that, I enjoy the more recent interior and quality. Gated 430 is one of the most fun (at normal UK speeds) cars I have driven, of many.

    A GT Ferrari is a totally different proposition. At legal and legal+ speeds, most modern GTs don't have the fun factor, but they do have deep satisfaction.

    Or try a Huracan RWD, last gen Aston V12 Vantage S, or R8 V10 manual.
     
  18. c0mp

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    Probably too late to help much, but I just traded in my 992 4s cab for a 488, and pretty damn happy. The 992 was amazing and my daily driver, the 488 is in a different category for me tho. I think the 992 is probably a little faster, but a step down in terms of visceral satisfaction.
     
  19. willcrook

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    I personally (expected to) but didn't like the 355 when I drove it, it's worth a test drive first before you commit

    I'd rather go 458 than 488 too

    there is a lot of competition and choice at this price range to consider :)
     
  20. PorkerBus

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    Your timing couldn’t be better!

    One thing I love about the 992 is the driving position, I’m not especially tall (185cm) but just feel at home. I’ve sat in a 488 (yet to drive) with standard seats and felt there was a lack of headroom and I wanted the seat lower.

    I’m wondering if Goldrake seats would be better.

    For comparison I tried a Gallardo Peformante the dealer had and the seating position was the same (too high IMO).

    If you have the time, I’d appreciate knowing the spec of your 4S (I threw the kitchen sink at my 2S cab), the spec of your 488 and why you decided to change.

    I’m likely to daily the 488 (alongside a RR Sport) so any thoughts/ feedback would be greatly appreciated.
     
  21. PorkerBus

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    Thank you, I love the look of the 355 and agree a test drive is the way forwards.

    Having a full time job and not the time to really enjoy too many cars I am leaning towards a well specc’d 488 though.

    Why would you go 458 instead?
     
  22. Themaven

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    It doesn't really matter at this kind of performance level, but still, 488 is much faster than 992 C4S. Midrange, flat out, by every measure, a significant difference. More than 10 mph faster to a quarter mile, and midrange punch advantage you would expect from the power and torque superiority. Feels faster around corners too.

    The difference becomes more striking the faster you go. You need a 992 Turbo S to beat a 488.

    But again, it doesn't really make much difference unless you are tracking or overtaking a lot. 992 S is plenty quick for most driving, though 488 is laugh out loud quick.
     
  23. willcrook

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    the sound is an important factor to me and I just prefer naturally aspirated cars in general, also I think the 458 is a future classic and will help in terms of depreciation

    both are fast enough for the roads imo
     

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