For me, I could care less off track times, it was fun for a while when some manuf tried to beat each other on the ring, but I don't think anyone here will ever come close to driving that hard on the ring with their street cars on a regular day when the track is open for everyone - so for me times like these are useless (does not make the car more desirable). For me it's all about the feeling you get when driving, and even though the F8 was sublime to drive, very nimble, playful and easy to throw the back out, the shifts was too seemless and the sound, well do I even need to comment on that. I hope the STO delivers raw and good sound even though I know the boring double clutch gearbox will never give the bangs that I get in the Superleggera. Peter, a friend of my who already got a test drive in the STO said no GPF and that it's sound is same as Perfomante, you can find his video here: And here is what I've been doing while the ghost hunt on Dustman has been ongoing
After hearing all the press regarding performance (or lack thereof) on the Ring, etc., I’m actually more enthusiastic about taking delivery. I’m not a launch or a 200 mph guy and will never be. I’m predicting it’s gonna be a winner, even if they end up making a ton of them.
Regardless of the car, street or race car you will wear components if racing. Difference being one will be designed for occasional track use and the other for consistent hard laps. Just be prepared for the costs to replace the obvious items, i.e. brakes, tires, suspension parts and likely body panels. Race cars are componentized so when you get hit or hit ***** it's easier to repair and potentially less costly. At the end of the day if you really want to track get a race car. The difference is so incrediblely overwhelming and much more rewarding. If you want to do it most cost effectively I agree a Porsche street car is probably best. Heck, even a GT4 works incredibly well.
3rd fastest and ahead of the SVJ EuroSpeedway Lausitz lap times Rank Vehicle Driver Time PS / KG 1. AMG GT Black Series unknown 1:25.23 730 / 1632 2. Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991) unknown 1:25.91 700 / 1514 3. Lamborghini Huracán STO Guido Neumann 1:27.94 640 / 1459 4. Lamborghini Aventador SVJ Guido Naumann 1:28.05 770 / 1718 5. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro Steve Kirsch 1:28.39 585 / 1637 6. Lamborghini Huracán Evo Guido Naumann 1:28.82 640 / 1619 7. Ferrari F8 Tributo unknown 1:29.06 720 / 1521 8. McLaren 600LT Steve Kirsch 1:29.40 600 / 1404 9. Porsche 911 Turbo S (992) unknown 1:29.95 650 / 1652 10. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) unknown 1:30.60 500 / 1466 https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/eurospeedway-lausitz
I wouldn't expect the Aventador to be competitive based on my track time with one. The Huracan is a better platform for tracking IMO.
I wouldn't pay 300 let alone 3 mil for it although there'll no doubt be a few spent cartridges lining up for it i'm sure. The car for when you have no dick at all.
The STO looks better. Simply another way for Lamborghini to continue profiting over limited edition models that erode the concept of special, limited edition. The rendering looks substantially better than the actual car.
I see a lot of renderings that look better than what they put out. I just do understand that. I also agree that endless special editions do water things down. I think the “special” gets lost in the process. I look at the iconic omega speedmaster and there are like a dozen “special” editions. I get lost with all of that stuff. When Ferrari puts out VS, it is a clear step above and IMO time has been kind to this approach. I certainly wouldn’t mind having a speciale right now. I had an interesting talk with a guy who buys a lot of cars and they are working on a deal right now for an STO. Car will likely go for $150k usd over sticker. Jaw dropping.
The white color of the Countach does not do the car any favours. If you look at a white STO, similar impression. Winkelmann has stated that all 112 units are sold out. The car has virtually the same power plant as the Sian but uninspiring design. The intent was to profit from a car that should be seling for the price of an Aventador, which is a far superior aesthetic achievement, as a stop gap measure until the Huracan and Adventador hybrid replacement is introduced in 2023. 24.
I posted this on the Lambo forum but thought I'd post here as well for those that don't get over to that forum. My 24 hours and 400 miles review of the STO... I have a lot of information and my opinion to share about the STO. I spent 24 hours with the car and did almost 400 miles and the car had approximately 1,250 miles when I picked it up. In the last several years I bought two cars that I had never driven before. I purchased them solely based on reviews and youtube videos because of lack of a car to test drive extensively. Needless to say it didn't work out and I dumped them almost immediately for of course a loss. I didn't want that to happen with the STO. Therefore I was able to rent one for 24 hours for $2,500 and boy am I glad I did. I ran every test I can think of, measured, took pics you name it. This is NOT the car for me personally for reasons listed below. I can tell you unequivocally and I have video that the valves do not fully open until 3600 RPM in Trofeo or STO mode whether you're up or downshifting. This does not happen in a Perf or EVO in corsa. Again, I suspect it has to do with back pressure reasons just like in my 3RS. So if you try to defeat them you will most likely get droning and lose torque. If you replace the exhaust with any other valved type exhaust you'll get the same thing. If you straight pipe the car it will drone, lose some torque and you will defeat it's purpose. This is all obviously by design from Lamborghini and meant to work this way in the STO. But if you are coming from an EVO, Perf or factory race exhaust on another Lambo variant you will be disappointed with the sound. There is NO way around it. Now once the valves are opened the car does sound good just like a 3RS does when its valves are open. But it's not practical to be in that upper rev range on the street to get that sound we all know and love whether up or downshifting. As some of you know I go to Zion National Park almost every weekend. My 580 or EVO on downshifts would bark and bounce off the rock walls and everyone would turn to see what was coming. In the STO nothing and I mean hardly any sound at all. I know that may be unimportant to some but that sound is a big part of the ownership experience for me. This car is for hardcore track guys that won't care about that and want a new track toy instead of their GT car or whatever. The cofango is cool but once you open it up and show the neighbors or at C&C the novelty is done and over. God forbid someone hit or crunch it. Probably a 50k piece that has to be shipped in an enormous crate from Italy. I will say you do get somewhat of a view out the rear view mirror that gives you a sense of situational awareness and I got used to it fairly quickly. The ride is stiffer and it does bounce like Mr. JWW explained in his video. That didn't really seem to bother me because I have a propensity for always having low cars that ride super stiff. Interesting note is the right rear quarter glass has a defrost element in it. I guess for improved vision under certain colder conditions. I also took a pic of the exhaust placard and it does clearly say NO GPF. Odd how that placard says date of production 10/21. Additionally, I did find an annoying glare from the sport seats silvery buckle slider between your legs. It's big and if it's sunny it will bounce a glare off of it. Carbon door panels were cool and gave it a more raw feel. I will say the shark fin on the back they say is used for stability. Seemed very flimsy to me as you can grab it and it wiggles from side to side pretty good. My opinion is it's more for looks rather than side stability. From some of the many pics I took. I love the looks of the STO. However, I don't see the value proposition in this car for me. I realized the car cost probably a lot to develop. Additionally, I don't see that big of a weight savings either with all of the carbon bits and the cofango. Especially compared to the Perf and deducting the weight of the AWD from the Perf. Speaking of saving weight, it's odd how they added a glove box and the door handles that flip out when you press the key fob to unlock the car. This was left off the Performante for the purpose of weight savings. I also felt this car should have been given a modest power bump of say 30HP or so. Having many high performance RWD cars over the years. I personally now like and prefer how planted and confidence inspiring the AWD is. I don't care about "playfulness" as I'm not an experienced track person. I want to feel confident and planted ripping through open twisty roads. I'm also having second thoughts on my incoming AMG GT BS because as most know it sounds awfully quiet and muffled. Think 992 Turbo S and that really bothers me coming from AMG who always prided themselves on their engine sound. When I get mine, I'm almost certain I'll be disposing of it for a profit unless I fall head over heels in love which I doubt at this point. And again, I'd be having to deal with an exhaust which I don't want to do. I don't see the value in the STO for me for what I would use it for and I can't get past the sound. Hopefully there is a cure/workaround down the road. This is what bothers me which is fussing and fettling with a brand new car of this cost and caliber. What are you supposed to do? I guess you can live with it. Maybe a tune can be done to keep the valves open all of the time, unplug vacuum lines or straight pipe it? These are all things I don't particularly want to deal with on a brand new car. Why this car doesn't sound like an EVO or Perf down low is beyond me but I'm sure they have their reasons. Some have stated that hopefully the car/sound breaks in and gets better. That's not going to happen because of the valve situation. Some also think that exhaust systems break in and get louder with time. This is also a misnomer. Most modern exhausts are made with stainless, inconel, titanium or whatever material and there is nothing to change or "break in" over time. Some might be thinking of old school mufflers that would have fiberglass packing and over time the fiberglass would break down thus making the car louder. I love the looks of the car as I stated but I can't buy a car based on looks when there are other issues that bother me. Compromising is not a very prudent option in my book. With that said I'm sure this car will make many future owners happy and again it's gorgeous in person. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Scathing review. I could literally cry. I am a grown man, and I could literally wail like a baby right now. I had a weird feeling that I would regret moving off my Performante prematurely. I have an STO coming, but if it does not reproduce sound at least 90% compared to a Performante, I’ll never be happy with it. What a mess…
The valve deal is cut and dry. What’s not is the potential solution. With Ferrari, we simply circumvent the valves with an auxiliary controller. Perhaps, a similar solution might present itself. This review was simple, and extensive ownership is not necessary to validate the central conclusion: out of the box, the STO is demonstrably inferior to the Performante at producing a pleasing exhaust note. Which is absolutely soul-crushing to me.
The complaint about the sound is within the realm of objectivity. However, the overall content was descriptive of a car that was overpriced and under performing. I am not claiming that the review was disingenuously negative but if the car was owned by the reviewer would this review even have been posted or if posted would have it been identically expressed. A cursory scan of reviews posted by car owners are rarely anything but ebullient raves.
You keep pounding on this "you have to own a car to review it properly" , but there is an inherent conflict of interest in owners reviewing their own cars.....plus most people cannot own everything for a comparison. In addition, what credentials do most owners have other than the ability to buy the car? None.....as much as I like Cadster personally, I wouldn't take his opinion over automotive professionals (no, the standard youtuber does not count....although I like Matt Farah on a personal level). For me, the best reviewers are knowledgeable automotive professionals who get seat time in everything....like Chris Harris, Harry Metcalfe, Jethro Bovington, etc.
My assertion is that unless a review is based on actual sufficient driving experience of the car in question which may or may not include ownership, is of little value. That does not imply that all such reviews are highly astute or edifying. It is up to the reader to make that judgment.
Totally agree, an automotive professional spending a day with a car means more to me than 99.99% of owner reviews (one obvious exception being W Mitty)
