The C8 Z06 Corvette sounds more Ferrari than Ferrari

It is not. I’d be surprised if anyone had my spec.

 

Listen to that! Ferrari needs to up their game. We cannot just accept the F8 as the new normal for Ferrari sound when Chevy of all car makers is able to make a car that sounds like this!

 

This isn't just "Bad A.. for a Corvette", this is plain "Bad A..". Full stop.

 

I’m in line for one but who knows how long it will take. I have the standard C8 ordered that should arrive first quarter 2022. Decided to get off the Ferrari train and try something different.

 

Totally badass! Won’t be nearly as quick as the 296 but it’ll cost 1/4 as much and sound amazing. And free CarPlay.

 

...and there is some difficult to articulate desire for a ‘vette having grown up in America.

 

I agree some what. Although I was never a corvette guy growing up. This C8 has revolutionized the car, though. It’s really a fantastic car to own, especially as a convertible and especially considering the price.

The Z06 will make it look better, go faster and sound way better. Interior will get a refresh too I’m sure. All in all for whatever it costs (I’m assuming $140k all in for a nicely optioned convertible) it will be a beyond belief steal.

 

The Chevy isn’t a turbo. Wake up.

 

Ferrari - global homologation; one size fits all. Doubt Chevy is doing likewise.


YOLO

 

Exactly my point...

 

Blame the UN.

 

I doubt very much that it will be almost as fast. It is not as light as a 765 for example, and it has MUCH less power and torque.

But until it is kn the streets, we are just guessing.

Personally I like the turbo engines and would not trade the instant torque of either the F8 or SF90 for a bit of sound.

There aren't many C8's here in Europe but I have had the chance to see them up close a few times and get a bit of seat time. At least here in Europe I don't think the price and quality is a match. Sure, if you pay 60k usd I can see the allure, but that's not the price here. I'd much rather have a 992 for the same money. The fit n' finish just isn't there for the price we have to pay.

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(Insert surprised Scooby-Do sound here)

The UN? That big bureaucratic mess in New York???

What do they have to do with cars?

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They aren't.

They know we already have a Corvette in Europe, it's called a 911. Why bother with the Z06 when the same money can get you into a gated GT3 or a TTS?

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Exactly, here in Taiwan a Corvette C8 cost 7 million NT while a Ferrari Roma cost 11 million. It is no wonder they hardly sell any C8. The cost difference is too small and people will pick a Ferrari any time.

 

Here's what would have happened. They would have been behind the curve. Behind the GT2RS, the 675LT, the 720S and the 765LT. The current N/A cars apart from the V10 Lambo, occupy a different segment. The fastest cars all across the board are turbo cars, and the Ferrari V8 MR line would have been hopelessly behind. Fact is that the power delivery and response of the turbo cars are just on a different level.

As for Ferrari abandoning their roots? Nonsense. The 288GTO and F40 are among the most coveted Ferraris of all time, and both turbos.

Ferrari would have abandoned their roots, had they not tried to make the best car possible and not stayed within the front of the pack.

Which is the best Ferrari? The next one. The day they don't strive for that is the day they have abandoned the path they've always been on.

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Who said almost as fast?

 

Apologies. I was tired when I read your comment, so misread it.

I had a quick look online just to gauge some speeds of the car. People talk a lot about the "regular" C8 being as fast as a 488 etc. but when looking up some lap times, things are very different. This to me leads me to believe that the 296 will be much, much faster than the Z06.

A C8 Z51 driven by Randy Pobst on Laguna Seca is 1:37.83
A 458 Italia also driven by Randy on Laguna Seca is 1:36.22
A 488 GTB also driven by Randy on Laguna Seca is 1:31.68

The Z06 has a LONG way to go to reel in the current cop of competitors, and I think it's pretty safe to assume that the 296 will be a sub 1:30 car on Seca. Not even sure the Z06 could do a 1:33 seeing that it is N/A and has nowhere the power of the turbo competitors.

The fact alone about the 458 being one and a half second faster, tells a lot. That's ages on that track.

 

Correction: EU.

 

Will be interesting to see how Corvette places in LeMans.

@Il Co-Pilota
I get that they the Vette may not consistently be the fastest of the bunch, but for some that's not the end all be all. If I wanted an absolute fastest zero to 60 time I'd get an electric car which is faster than a turbo; but what's the fun in that? I think at this level in the game, one looks at something that's stays close to the pack, but I don't think one has to have the fastest one (that's just me though). If we're looking at racing heritage, then the GM product has some of that. Ultimately, it's a value proposition. Does one get a C8 Z06 that sounds more exotic than the exotics, potentially offers an equal or better visceral experience, can keep within a second of cars three times the price or even beat them with minor modifications. All while offering reliable wireless Apple Carplay, low cost maintenance, and the latest amenities.

Don't get me wrong, Ferrari has amazing products, it's why we're here. However, what's kept me in my F430 is the visceral experience. What makes me want to get into a 458 is the same insanity/urgency in the upper bands. I feel like I "need" to own the 458, but only want a 488/F8. I got to drive and F8 on a quick test drive, and it was amazing, but lacked a bit of something that made me want to do whatever I can to own one. It's just freaking fast. It's fast and beautiful, but just slightly lacking that third dimension. I think that's where cars like the Pista and the Speciale come in, but then you just went from $400k to $600k. Maybe this is where the 296 GTB will shine; once getting past the fact it's not a V8, it's the first car I've been genuinely excited about from Ferrari. It sounds like it will have all of the necessary characteristics.

Again this is coming from the views of someone who is not in the "money is no object" segment. If you're that wealthy, you would just buy them both. I'm talking about someone who can pick one or the other, and would have to consider whether paying the difference is worth it.

 

That’s what I was getting at when I pointed out McLaren entering the scene and pushing out crazy HP numbers. Competition breeds excellence and that’s what ended up happening... except in this case I really don’t think we need street cars with 700+ hp. Hell, a stock 488 is already too much for my admittedly lacking driving skills and I haven’t even driven a Pista or F8 yet.

Had McLaren not entered the scene, or had they gone the NA route, we could have had another 5-7 years of glorious NA engines before EU regs absolutely necessitated the switch to forced induction and downsizing.

FWIW, I’d take an F8 everyday of the week and twice on Sunday’s over the vette. But it makes you wonder what could have been if Ferrari had continued the NA V8 just a little while longer.

 

The C8 is just unrefined, inelegant, with a lot of plastic and cheap quality leather and poor fit and finish. Track times at Latina Seca demonstrate that it doesn’t even hold a candle to pretty much any modern supercar from any brand. Hard pass.


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Here is Dan Neil’s C8 review
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/2020-corvette-stingray-americas-supercar-gets-a-european-makeover-11598017697

It may strain diplomatic relations with Italy, however. Built on a spaceframe of aluminum extrusions and diecast chassis nodes; shrouded with composite and aluminum body panels; poised over aluminum double-A arms with coil-over magnetic dampers; and cogged with a dual-clutch transaxle (DCT), the Stingray’s anatomy resembles that of the Ferrari 488 GTB ($330,000). The 488 is more power-dense and prettier, for sure. But, taking all things in balance, the Chevy beats the snot out of it.

After years of taking grief for chintzy interiors, the C8’s design team, and their accountants, seem out to prove something. It’s like a leather-upholstered jigsaw puzzle in there. The cabin gleams with pewter-like accents framing the switches, screens, and blade-thin HVAC vents. The drive selector is an elegant switchset reminiscent of the Fisker Karma. The drive-mode selector lives under its own, handsome leather hillock, a palm rest. The high-rez touch screen and connected digital UX is current, easy to reach and read. Where has this GM been all my life?

If you are looking for supercar lap times you will have to wait until they release the Zora

 

I’m just day dreaming of all the absurd engine swap candidates if they make this available as a crate motor!

 

What engine will have Z06? it will not be the same like in standard car?