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  1. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    Basking Ridge NJ
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    Bob Schmidt
    Ok guys, panicked here. Just purchased first Ferrari about 2 months ago. Had PPI from very reputable and got glowing review. Have driven almost 300 miles with no issue. I only drive it about once a week and keep it plugged in whenever not driving. Took it out today and couldn’t shift past second gear. F1 failure light is on. I pulled over, turned off and restarted. F1 light still on so I drove home and put in garage. Should I jump off a cliff now or is there hope?


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  2. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

    Aug 22, 2008
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    Need to get the error code read ..do you have any code readers like a autel ap200 , thinkdiag, fox well ..

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  3. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    No I do not. The car drives so well and feels great. I’m really hoping it’s some other minor issue, battery power, fluid level etc. I have it plugged in now and waiting for a full charge


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  4. efg2014

    efg2014 Formula Junior

    Sep 14, 2014
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    Northern California
    Not sure if it is the same problem I had. Take a look at my thread from a few years back:

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/f1-transmission-problem.615324/
     
  5. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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  6. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

    Aug 22, 2008
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    You may consider getting a pretty inexpensive reader like the ap200 with your car ..it will pay for itself just to know what is going with the car .. additionally you can share more info here and people like myself will lend a hand to help ..of course all depending on your appetite to work on it

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  7. kes7u

    kes7u Formula 3

    Oct 18, 2017
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    You have the car. You owe it to yourself, your sanity and your wallet to get an appropriate code reader to help diagnose this and future issues.

    Kevin
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  8. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    That makes sense. I’ve meant to get one but hadn’t gotten around to it. Thought I would have a little more time before my first warning light induced panic attack!! From what I’ve read on previous posts within this forum it appears this may not be a catastrophe and more likely an easy to moderate resolve. When I read the manual and saw f1 failure I threw up a little in my mouth!! Upon further investigation it seems likely to not be as bad as that sounds


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  9. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

    Aug 22, 2008
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    Unfortunately without proper diagnosis ..it can be at least 8 different things ..some very inexpensive to expensive

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  10. Penzinger

    Penzinger Karting

    Jul 13, 2019
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    The trigger is usually a loss of pressure in the hydraulic system, in the best (cheapest) case caused by a leaking pressure accumulator. Grab a watch, open the driver's door and stop the hydraulic pump running (clearly audible whirring). Should stop after six seconds. If not, the system is leaking or there is air in the system. And check the hydraulic oil level first.
     
  11. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    Tested it a few times. Pump ran just under 6 seconds each time. Usually before I put the car in gear I let it idle for a minute. This time I was so excited to get going that I just started it and began to drive. Could it be that I didn’t give enough time to build pressure before driving and that triggered the f1 fault?


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  12. efg2014

    efg2014 Formula Junior

    Sep 14, 2014
    657
    Northern California
    Look at comment #16 from my thread. The labor to get to it was alot. You can see from the photo, the part is connected to near the transmission. They had to remove alot of parts to get to it. Total cost around $12,000 US.
     
  13. Extreme1

    Extreme1 Formula 3

    Jun 27, 2017
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    Schmidty, get a code reader, order it from Amazon if you have to. Then get ahold of flash32. He is the most knowledgeable of anyone else on this forum with diagnosing problems. But you need the code reader to get the fault code first.


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  14. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    Is there any code reader you specifically recommend?


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  15. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

    Aug 22, 2008
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    Ap200 autel is not bad for a single car device and has alot of features /parameters

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  16. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    Thanks so much. I am ordering now. Fingers crossed this isn’t too bad


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  17. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    Got the Autel AP200 reader today. Won’t be with the car until Thursday night but will update code reading then. Spoke with service guy who I really like, classic coach in Elizabeth nj, he said take a deep breath. Can’t diagnose over the phone but very possible nothing serious. They even asked me to stop in so they could show me how to check the F1 fluid level in 430 and give me some Ferrari fluid in case it needs to be topped. I used to work on my cars as a young adult but they got way too complicated for me and I just ran out of time to keep up. Feels like I’m gonna have to start making time


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  18. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

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    Once you get the ap200 we will start using it to look at a few things starting with codes ...
    Measuring fluid is easy - open bonnet gain access to reservoir open door to activate pump once pump stops stick finger in the reservoir and let finger tip touch disk ..if fluid is about half way up your nail you are good
     
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  19. chenglo1

    chenglo1 Formula Junior

    Jun 23, 2012
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    Just had ur issue about a month ago. Turned out my F1 potentiometer was wacked. It tells the tcu what gear the tranny is in. I forget the error code but mechanic knew from reading the code. A 700.00 part and 2100.00 of dignostic and labor. Like others said, need the code.

    Could be simple and need an F1 bleed and relearn. However, that wouldnt trigger the F1 light.
     
  20. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    Ok. Thanks for the input. Will be bringing my reader down on Thursday and will update with codes. Really appreciate everyone reaching out to help


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  21. Extreme1

    Extreme1 Formula 3

    Jun 27, 2017
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    Look on YouTube for Normal Guy
    Supercar videos. He had a 430 and now has a 458. He’s made numerous videos on maintenance.
    There’s other guys that have done maintenance videos too.

    Engine oil change, F1 fluid flush, gearbox oil change, coolant flush/change, power steering fluid change. There’s videos on all of them.

    I spent hours and hours on YouTube when I first bought my car. It’s all easy to do now. It’s just a car.


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  22. Schmidty23

    Schmidty23 Karting

    Apr 21, 2021
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    Thank you. I’m looking forward to booking up my reader and diagnosing exactly what’s wrong. If I can fix it I’ll feel like a hero


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  23. CarAholic

    CarAholic Formula Junior

    May 10, 2016
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    Ouch. OP I would check your battery first. If it’s the potentiometers as indicated above don’t worry about it being that cost. They are only $600-800 for both of them and it’s a pretty simple diy. First time could easily get it done in one day.


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  24. chenglo1

    chenglo1 Formula Junior

    Jun 23, 2012
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    Caraholic,

    I saw pics of the location of the potentiometers and can certainly say it would take a day for a first timer. Yiu will definitely need to bleed the F1 system and do a relearn. I gladly paid the 2100 in labor. If it ever happens again, i may diy. However, it took 15 years to wear the orig out. Hopefully last at least another 15. Ill be too old and decrepid to diy by then ;)
     
  25. CarAholic

    CarAholic Formula Junior

    May 10, 2016
    519
    Agreed it takes a little bit of time to get to but not that bad. I feel like a bleed and a relearn on this car is great to get done every other year along with getting the fluid check. Now not a complete change of fluid but just to verify level and no air.


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