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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Absolutely.

    What happened yesterday made me less interested in the outcome of the championship.

    I hope we will see better days, because the FIA surely knows how to leave the F1 supporters disaffected.
     
  2. Patrick Dixon

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    Apologies if this has already been posted:

     
  3. 375+

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    I gave up after Day 2.
     
  4. Dino2010

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    So, it's impossible to lift your right foot when driving an F1 car in the rain?
    Bad or no visibility? Drive slowlier and keep distance, it's your call.
     
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  5. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Calling the event a 'race' is hard to understand as there was no racing under the green light conditions. So all held in place and unable to compete yet top 10 gained points, while 'competitors' were held back behind a safety car, with no attempt to pass given!!!!!!

    2 things should happen now that reports are in that the teams and FIA/Liberty will meet to address this-
    -Deny the classification as this was not a race.
    -Reset the championship for this weekend and do not include so called points given yesterday as it was a 'farce'

    All major parties admit there was no 'race' now....................

    F1 set for talks over rule changes after Belgian GP "farce"
    By: Jonathan Noble
    Aug 30, 2021, 3:13 AM
    Formula 1 chiefs are to seek talks with teams and the FIA to discuss changes to the rules in the wake of the Belgian Grand Prix "farce", Autosport has learned.
     
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  6. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Sadly reversing the result is not going to happen as it will need the unanimous support of the teams and both RB and Williams will never support it (obviously).
     
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  7. william

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    When you race, you are not alone on the track..

    Even being cautious, you can be hit by another car or get involved in someone else's wreck.

    There are plenty of examples of that on Youtube.

    Driving around at slow speed in atrocious conditions will never be a substitute to proper racing.
     
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  8. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The FIA admitting they are wrong sometimes ?

    It's never going to happen.

    Better turn the page, I am looking for better racing at Zandvoort next weekend.
     
  9. furoni

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    TRue, but awarding the title to elton in 08 and the race win to Alonso in singapur same year was a lot worse....at least this year we might still have a rightfull champion
     
  10. 375+

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    +1 agree. If the marshals can't see from one station to the next and the medical helicopter is grounded, that's a non starter. The two lap farce is an insult to the fans and awarding half-points for qualifying is a joke. They should have tried to run the race on Monday or offer ticketholders some sort of compensation.
     
  11. jpalmito

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    Just as a reminder, spa conditions yesterday were very close to estoril 1985 and Spain 1996..
     
  12. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    No I think it will take a protest to actually get anyone's attention about the farce in a Legal sense. Will they protest is the question.

    The FIA should simply reset it and tell the teams to shut up. It was not a race, the event as run put the sport in ill repute status. They did this to themselves and should, themselves sort it to claim back any sense of professionalism. That would be turning the page. Left as is shows how little they care as an organization. Take a firm action and stop the rot now.
     
  13. Bas

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    Yes. What's utterly farcical is how they attempted to get the race started by endlessly, pointlessly delaying the race start, leaving fans not just at the track, but the world over, in wait, whilst they clearly knew that the weather wasn't going to clear any time soon. Whether it was the radar telling them, or those round things buried into their skull called eyes, it was painfully obvious it just wasn't going to happen.

    And then they make an even bigger Mickey Mouse factor of it by saying ''start procedure abandoned'' (i.e. the race has never started), the graphic showing 43/44 laps, the race director claiming it was 39/44 laps, the team managers not knowing the race has a) started and b) what lap we're on, the race time stopage farce...I can go on for some time! They where waist deep in **** already and it's like they collectively decided was ''Jeeves, to get out of this pickle, start digging down, surely there'll be a way out!''. The FIA made themselves look like the utterly incompetent asshats that they are.

    And then, after hours of waiting, they decide to do 2 laps behind the SC just in case, to really make sure the teams and fans can't sue them as now the FIA can say ''we've definitely driven 2 laps, that's a race, now **** off''.
     
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  14. william

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    I am fully in agreement with that.

    It was really a bad day for racing enthusiasts who watched in disbelief.
     
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  15. gh0st0

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    We have a bunch of get off my lawn folks here. Yes there was a race yesterday, whether or not you think so doesn’t matter, the fia technical regulations classify it as a race.

    no ones happy about it but safety comes first, which is far different from those here living in the past of how things used to be. It’s not like that anymore, you can always tune in to watch nascar if you want to see crashes
     
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  16. william

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    I hope you are right and something can be salvaged from that munumental cock-up.

    But it will take an appeal, and months of legal wrangling no doubt, to have the decisions overturned. I am not sure many have a taste for that.

    In the end, it may or may not have any incidence on the outcome of the championship.
     
  17. jpalmito

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    But nobody here prevents you from loving the evolution of this sport!

    You just allow us to have a different opinion on this?
     
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  18. william

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    You seem to swin against the tide of feelings here, but never mind; you are entitled to your opinion.

    Nobody cares much what the FIA technical regulations say; most people would never consider what we saw yesterday as a race.

    I agree fully about safety concerns, but then Masi should have had the guts to say "Folks, We can't race today !", and most would have understood.

    Endorsing a parade behind the safety car,calling it a "race", having a prize giving ceremony and atributing points, that is insulting the intelligence of F1 followers.
     
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  19. Nuvolari

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    The only people who think a race took place yesterday are those that will ONLY look at the published result and not delve any deeper. Even a mention of the number of laps completed will give away the sham that was the 2021 Belgian 'Grand Prix'.

    This has nothing to do with 'the way things used to be' or tied to the fortunes of any one driver. What took place yesterday was an insult fueled by commercial and legal considerations over the integrity of the sport or the fans. To my mind this was the single greatest disgrace of an event in over 70 years of F1 and proof that the powers that be in F1 think they are too smart for their own good.

    Hiding behind the faintest of legal technicalities they damn well knew they were not going racing but sent the cars out anyways to clock in 3 laps and cover their contractual buts. Yesterday the FIA were the real cowards not man enough to do what was right and cancel the event (I say this supporting the current perspective where I personally think they were fine to race) and sucking up the costs associated with that decision.

    Lastly while this situation has not come up in 70+ years of F1 we are also in a new era where multiple red flags and safety car periods are the norm. What happened yesterday would not have happened a decade or more back and it astounds me that the rules do not require at least 2 green flag laps (where overtaking is possible) to constitute a race. This is a FORMULA ONE event for crying out loud. A driver was awarded an F1 victory for following a pace car for 3 laps!!!!! I think without a doubt the rules will be changed but the correct thing to nullify the results will never happen.
     
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  20. Nuvolari

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  21. ingegnere

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    The two races that helped define the winners as rain-meisters.

    They did this by adapting to the conditions! Novel idea that.
     
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  22. gh0st0

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    I’m with Alfa on this, they should’ve cancelled it right out after some time knowing it wouldn’t let up
     
  23. gh0st0

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    you said it, entitled to my opinion… only when it’s part of the regulations it’s not an opinion anymore.


    Misplaced Outrage whilst not understanding the rules is only a claim someone who is illiterate can make, not grown men.
     
  24. GrigioGuy

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    Understanding the rules and being outraged is not a paradox. Hiding behind Rules is the province of bureaucrats, cowards, and Europeans -- as if those things can be distinguished.
     
  25. Nuvolari

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    Brilliantly said. Much better than what I was going to write :)
     
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