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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Too fast out of his mouth at times = yesterday for this
    Russell: Williams deserved podium in Belgium

    And his absurd tin foil theory after he ruined Bottas and his Mercedes + his own Williams. Sorry. Fast yes. Lacking in emotional intelligence.

    Tossed points finishes more than once. Norris he is not.
     
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  2. Nuvolari

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    If you abide by the mantra that 'you are only as good as your last performance' then the fastest driver in F1 is Nikita Mazepin :D
     
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  3. DF1

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    LOL! :)
     
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  4. pilotoCS

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    Fastest? I don't think so. But he gets high marks for doing the most with the least.
     
  5. Wass85

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    I sense bitterness with you, you're right he's no Norris, he's better.
     
  6. Wass85

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    Why don't you think so, Saturday was a miracle performance. When was the last time something like that happened?
     
  7. RobertJRB

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    Maybe it’s not true at all, but in my mind it’s a lot of the British press presenting him as the best next thing after Hamilton. Like they need a new British champion after Hamilton leaves.

    It’s hard to judge his speed at F1 since he had no competitive team mate to fight against. Only pay drivers next to him. So him being the fastest of his team mates should not be a surprise.

    Than it’s the results in the Williams. All based on the Williams being the slowest car in the field. Who knows the Williams might not be the slowest car at all?

    Sure he had a great qualification at spa, but to call him fastest driver out there I don’t really see the prove for that yet.
     
  8. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Yes your opinion is such a fact. The rest of us should just stick to tennis and such. Bitter. What I posted unlike you were facts = crashes and points lost and poor mouth control when needed.

    George has some growing to do. Norris a far savvier player overall. No matter the speed.
     
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  9. Wass85

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    Did you watch the other day?

    Regarding points and such, don't you think Norris has amassed more points because he's in a far superior car?

    Norris also didn't look all that special last season as well, thoughts please?
     
  10. pilotoCS

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    The track was at it's driest when George and Max set their times. Good timing on the part of the teams.

    Look, I'm a fan of George. But the Williams didn't suddenly become a Mercedes.
     
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  11. Etcetera

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    I never paid much attention, but it is amazing how far off the hype he has been. Coulthard 2.0.
     
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  12. Wass85

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    At it's most dry? How can you say that when Hamilton got in his last lap after Russell.
     
  13. william

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    From memory, Monza 1961, Italian GP. Ricardo Rodriguez (Ferrari) qualified second on the grid AT HIS FIRST GP ! He lead at the start, before retiring with engine troubles. Ricardo raced a few more GPs, but never repeated his initial performance. In late 62, he died in practice at his home GP in Mexico.

    Earlier in the same year, Rheims 1961, French GP, Giancarlo Baghetti (Ferrari) WON THE FIRST GP HE EVER RACED.. He never repeated that, and faded in oblivion within a few years.

    And there may be more ...

    F1 saw a few "miracle performances from young drivers in the past, they didn't all translate in a very successful career,
    Russell's front row spot at Spa was obtained in exceptional circumstances, and may be a one off, for all we know.
    I am more impressed by regular strong finishes from Norris, and I reserve my judgement about Russell.
    If he moves to Mercedes next year like it is rumoured, we should soon know if he is as good as promised
     
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  14. SimCity3

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    That's the risk for Russell, he's probably TOO GOOD for the job next to Hamilton.

    We can expect some monkey business in the garage with engineers similar to what Rosberg had to endure until 2016.
     
  15. Wass85

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    So why bother signing him if you're going to sabotage him, just doesn't make sense.
     
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  16. Wass85

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    You do realise Norris is in a much better car, don't you think that makes a big difference?

    And this is not just a one off, Russell is outperforming much faster cars week in week out in qualifying.
     
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    I follow the karting scene and Russell, Verstappen, Leclerc, Norris, and Albon are all more or less from the same era. I believe that at least in one year three of them were all on the same team too. From what I remember, and I would need to consult a few friends to give you a more precise comparison, Verstappen was the faster of them all, followed by Norris, Leclerc, Albon, and only then Russell. Since they followed different paths in single seaters, I can't say nothing after that.

    Verstappen is world champion in both KF ad KZ go-karts, Norris KF world champion, Leclerc KF Junior world champion (if memory is correct), and Albon and Russell had won some championships but not the European or the World championship.

    If I had to bet on Russell or Verstappen on the same car, it would be Verstappen without a shadow of a doubt.
     
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    Disagree. Gasly is very good but not on par with Verstappen.
     
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  19. william

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    Your question was: " Is Russell the Fastest Driver in F1 ?"

    Maybe you should have said potentially the fastest ... that would have taken into account the car handicap.

    At the moment, I think Verstappen is the fastest IMO, but it's all subjective anyway.
     
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  20. Wass85

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    I think the way he's performed in the Williams puts a great argument forward.
     
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    Jos? Why? I don't think that Red Bull listens to him that much, he even got forbidden to stay in the garage for a few races two years ago.
     
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    Perez had a mediocre career prior to F1, he only got a place because he had a truck of cash from Carlos Slim.
     
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  23. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Mercedes would be really stupid to do that, knowing that Hamilton is reaching the end of his career.

    Toto Wolff has to engineer a smooth transition for his team if he wants to maintain success.

    The big question is if Hamilton and Russell will cohabit peacefuly in the same team.
     
  24. SimCity3

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    Exactly.
    Unless George receives actual equal treatment it's a risky move for him.

    Similarly Button was warned about going to Team Hamilton at McLaren for the same reasons, but Jenson did a solid job considering.

    Rosberg was already at Mercedes so it must've been extra strange when they rolled out the VIP treatment for Lewis. Merc began team orders in preference for Lewis in 2013. I think Rosberg did very well to maintain decent composure overall for their tenure together.
     
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  25. jgonzalesm6

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    Russell is definitely faster than Latifi....that's for sure.

    If and when Russell goes to Mercedes, the car along with his skills will be amplified even more......but let's see how he does against Lewis and the Mercedes Camp Toto political machine.
     
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