Petition to access all 9500 RPM on the Competizione

Congrats on getting an 812C.

I am curious and would like to see how this develops. The 812C might have a different tuning and be unrestricted all the way to 9500rpm. For reference, 488 GTB is even more toned down with respect to 8000 rpm max rev. However, the Pista gets the “full” 8000 rpm. Both have the same 8000 rpm max rev “spec”. So special & limited edition cars might get differentiated tuning philosophy and strategy as well.

 

Getting the Competizione, too. But that’s interesting what you mentioned regarding the SF and GTS early cut off. On the track and on some occasions on the street I hit the rev limiter, but can’t tell if it was at 8600 or 8900 because I was focused on cops, kids and angry mothers at the mall park [emoji6]

But to be serious: did you read out the revs over the OBD port with a diagnosis tool since the analog rev counter could have a slight delay.

 

I was told you could only reach max rev's in 1st gear only, is this not the case? The car will need to warm to do this as the 812 limits the power when cold.

 

Yep. Also it is the ratios which determines where the fastest shift points are. Redlining may be cool, bit it is not the fastest way to drive. There's a reason why the car shifts below redline when launched. It is always better to shift so that rpm drops to 100-200 before peak torque.

Also peak hp is at 8500, so one gains nothing prior to the shift by revving it out to 8900.

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It all depends on the shape of the power curve and gear ratios. If peak power is at 8500 rpm, and assuming the shape of the power curve is similar to a symmetrical triangle around peak power, shifting at 8900 rpm maximizes acceleration (assuming the rpm is accessible). Maximal acceleration is attained by maximizing area under the power curve (relatively simple physics equations). Basically, rpm drops more than 800 rpms between gear at that engine speed (2x 8900-8500). So shifting at higher rpm in this case maximizes acceleration. Of course, the tune doesn’t allow the access of this rpm range so it’s theoretical only.

@SeattleStew has posted video before showing the inaccessibility of 8900 rpm on a 812S.

 

I haven't read it with an OBD reader, but I did hold the revs at redline for an extended period to confirm it wasn't just a delay in the tach. So it's not just that the needle hasn't "caught up". Either every tach on every 812 is just off by a few hundred RPM, or the car doesn't redline at 8900. I do have an OBD reader with live data so I could check it at some point.

Am I upset about it though? No, I still tell everyone it redlines at 9k.

 

Is this same thing as ferrari claims on weight that can never be achieved? Italian cars have always had reputation exaggerate stats same way Germans (esp Porsche) under state them

 

I cannot believe Ferrari is also deceiving on the redline as they do in weight. How does any of this stuff fly with the Ferrari owners? Do you guys not redline the car at all to not see it doesnt go to the advertised redline? That also means it doesnt make 789hp?

There was a video of GT3RS where Andreas from Porsche made a joke about the weight of the car being 1450 kg “with all the fluids including windshield wiper reservoir fully topped off”. He then went on to joke about “unlike our italian friends” this is just hilarious. Doesn’t the engineers in Maranello go up to management about how stupid this all looks?

I bet you could sue Ferrari in court and win easily if they advertise the car to be 8900 rpm redline but it never gets there.

 

Are you talking about the dyno or the tachometer, it reaches 8900 rpm here?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zs73eiE3HKI

 

I am talking about whatever the OP here was talking about.

 

I watched your video, I see it goes up to around 8600. 8900 would certainly mean part of the dial touches on 9000 and it doesnt in that video.

 

Here you go. Launch control. Full auto mode. Pedal to the floor. Nowhere near 9000 rpm.

 

Here is another one



Actually I watched 7 videos all show the same. So maybe it doesnt redline at 8900 lol. Only Ferrari can get away with this.

 

My friend, the launch control also turns it up to the rpm where the highest power is, which is 8500 rpm.

 

Engine specs
Power 800 Hp @ 8500 rpm.
Power per litre 123.2 Hp/l
Torque 718 Nm @ 7000 rpm.
529.57 lb.-ft. @ 7000 rpm.
Maximum engine speed 8900 rpm.

 

You can do 8900 rpm in manual mode, haven't you driven this car?

 

I dont see it hitting 9, it pretty much shifts slightly to the right of middle of between 8 and 9?

If it shifts to 8900 only in manual, thats not good because in manual mode shifts are not uninterrupted. There is a lot of driveline interruption of power. Only in full Auto mode car shifts super fast. Manual mode is more for fun as it has a lot of character due to harsh shifts. But from a performance perspective, auto mode is going to be quicker.

Not sure why Ferrari would do this. Does user manual explain anything?

 

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/what-maximum-rpm-does-your-gts-do.643710/

interesting

 

Omercan - looks like you posted AutoNL video but removed it. I watched every redline frame by frame and I dont see anything but 8600 rpm. Sorry.

 

It shifts too early in manual, so I deleted it.

 

Omer - I have checked every POV video out there. I honestly wish I was wrong. Maybe in certain gears and maybe only in manual it may be shifting higher but as I said from a pure performance perspective, fastest shifts happen in full auto mode. Manual is really more for enjoyment and show because it slams gears. So even if somehow it shifts manually at higher rpm, its a problem. If you track the car, you want the maximum performance. Maximum performance from a shift speed perspective is in Auto but this mode has a horsepower disadvantage because the time you spend in engine’s powerband is now 300rpm less.

 

That's enough, accept this, it's 8900

 

I’m not sure if english is your second language, suppose it is - I watched your video and I see the highest redline right past 8600 rpm but definitely not at 8800rpm and most likely not 8900 rpm. The small lines between each number represent 200 rpm. For the car to hit 8900 rpm, it means it would have to be between the last small line and number 9. In this case, the highest number I saw was perhaps 8650 rpm or 8700 at best. But definitely not on 8800 or 8900. I am being patient and cordial with you and you are ordering me to “accept this”. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as you may not be a native speaker - its all good.