The C8 Z06 Corvette sounds more Ferrari than Ferrari

I can only speak for myself and I have no hate. Like I said, my point was not to say that GM has made a carbon copy, far from it. But I think it's pretty safe to say that they used other cars, including the 458 as a source of inspiration. When there's no patent on a lot of the stuff Ferrari developed for that car, why reinvent the wheel when you are trying to keep costs down?

I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari had a few McLaren's stowed away somewhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if McLaren had a few Ferraris somewhere. There's nothing odd or new about this kind of stuff.

That's how the automotive industry has been for decades upon decades.

 

wouldn’t be surprised?? It’s no coincidence the 488 was replaced with the F8 that has the exact same claimed hp and acceleration times as the 720S lol. You are right. Everyone (mostly) pays attention to everyone else. And that’s good.

 

So now the C8 is in "the minors"?
Unbelievable.

 

We get that you love your C8. Be happy and proud of the car you have. Nothing wrong with it.

The C8 is a great value proposition. Other than that, it just doesn’t compete in any of the important categories and for the money, why does it need to?

it just isn’t in the same league as tier one supercars from Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. Corvette never has been, nor will they ever be. And there’s nothing wrong with it. Corvette caters to a lower market bracket and competes in a lower bracket, and they’re brilliant at it.

Corvette will never compete with the European supercar market, but they sure are loving the hype and comparisons being with the C8 to superior cars. The biggest victory Corvette has had was the media campaign from going to a mid engine car that resulted in so many of these ridiculous comparisons that otherwise never would have happened. The switch to mid engine was because the front engine design reached its limit of development, it was a brilliant marketing move!

At the end of the day, very few serious modern Ferrari buyers with the cash for an F8, 488, etc. will ever choose a C8 over the Ferrari unless money is in question. Some Ferrari owners may add a C8 to their garage, but it is not a replacement nor superior to any modern Ferrari, and pretending like it is, is simply misguided.

The C8 is like the IKEA of the supercar world. Hard pass for me. Life is too short to not drive the car you want to drive.

 

^^
What are these "important" categories?

 

I mostly agree. Currently own 458 and 488 but have deposit down on Z06 to add to my collection. The car intrigues me. Definitely not a Ferrari but still a great car for the money. I have a good friend who is corvette guy thru and thru and will get one of the first Z06s (guessing probably one of the first 250 based on his relationship with GM). I will be waiting forever which will give me a chance to drive his and decide. Did GM look at every square inch of the 458 (and others) when they came up with the C8? Of course. My friend opens agrees with that. Is C8 a terrific car for the money ? No question. Is it in the same ballpark as a Ferrari? No way. If you think it is - is because you don’t own one. My 2 cents.

 

This is really what it comes down to.

 

Says the Ferrari owners...

"If you think it is, you don't own one"
One what? A Ferrari? Or a C8?
I'm curious how many of you experts have actually driven a C8?
It's interesting as I have a good friend with a 488 and he has driven my car a good deal (as I have his 488). He has a different take then you guys do. Do he and I agree the Ferrari is better? Yes we do. Does he feel the need to do the "great car for the money" thing? No. He just thinks it's a great car. He's actually amazed by it (the C8).

 

Why do you hang out on FerrariChat?

 

It doesn't really matter what others think, as long as you are enjoying the car is all that matters. It works for some and not for others. Simple as that.

 

I've been a member for nearly 16 years... with less than 1,000 posts...I'd hardly call that "hanging out" (I average ONE post every 6 days...).
I'm just amazed that anyone on an enthusiast forum would be SO concerned about a car that is NOT a Ferrari competitor (at least I never claimed it was). YOU chose to amp up the dialogue with claims that are just flat wrong, not the least of which is that GM "copied" the 458. They clearly did not in any measurable way (styling/construction/etc) as others have pointed out.
And then you doubled down by choosing to belittle something you clearly know very little about beyond what some guy wrote in Forza, well, I'm not sure how you're surprised by the pushback.

PS. What were those "important" categories again?

 

Nope. Base will be below (but close) to $90K (for a coupe), a "normal" option load will be in the $110K-$115K range.

 

I’ve owned a couple Corvettes. They are fantastic cars. I had an 08 LS3 car that was cammed and drove it for over 40k miles.

I decided to skip the C8 and went for an F8 instead. Why? Well…

1. Build quality.
2. Engine
3. Transmission
4. Performance
5. Looks
6. Rarity
7. The pimply kid that just parked the Chevy Cruz a little too close to the Malibu won’t be driving my car when I take it for service, aka, the dealer experience.
8. Overall driving experience. I’m sorry, but as cool as a C8 Z06/ZR1 will be, a Ferrari will just be and feel more special.

Now if the Z came in a manual…..

 

Unbelievable you don’t recognize Corvette copied substantial aspects of the 458. The evidence is undeniably clear and in black and white, as outlined by many in this thread.

The Important categories? All. Modern Ferrari’s are superior in all respects to the C8, except price. this is the only reasonable reason to opt for a C8 over an F8.

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From your mouth to God's ears...
Odd that a "copy" can't do at least ONE thing as good as the original...must be that "feel" thing...

 

Who woke you up?
Build quality? Sorry...you've clearly never been in either car if you think an F8 is superior to a C8 in build quality.
"Paint correction" is an INDUSTRY because of Ferrari...

 

Pardon me, but what model Ferrari do you own, mister-not-subscribed-and-been-here-less-than-a-year?

I've owned a 2001 456M, a 1980 308GTS, and now a 2000 360 Modena manual, and I'd rather have a C8 Z06 than two of those cars.

 

Hold on, in this case it's YOU that have not been in an F8 if you think the C8 build is better. Yes they do need paint correction, but if any of GM's cars need that as well, it has ALWAYS been the Corvette, and the C8 is no exception.

Here's' what I experienced the last time I was up close and personal with a C8

Really poor fitment of doors and boot lid. Both doors, and the boot lid had rub marks where they had made contact when closing.
Stitching was wavy and off in several places.
Overall interior felt okay, but it was plastic all over and the leather was definitely not on the level of a Ferrari.
When I drove, the car had rattles and squeaks despite having less than 3000 km on it.

Overall it's just a different thing and they have to save the money somewhere.

As objective as we can try to be, Ferrari enthusiast or otherwise, what you just said is just plain wrong.

Which of the mid engined DCT Ferraris have you owned? If you now that an F8 quality is that much inferior, I take it you at least must have spent some time with a 488 if not an F8 to know?

 

Those cars are in no way representative of where Ferrari is now in terms of quality, not even close. As much as I like the 308, it was developed and sold during what can only be considered part of Ferrari's darkest times. Beautiful yes, but like the Testarossa and other cars of the 80's and late 70's, quality was a major issue and their abilities as driver's cars where questionable.

The 456 is a car many like, but it's also a car which is pretty famous for not being the most reliable Ferrari ever made.

The 360 was probably the first Ferrari to be somewhat reliable along with the 550, but they still lacked a lot compared to what came later.

It makes perfect sense that from a quality standpoint, the C8 is better. But then again, if you look at a Corvette from 1980, how would you rate the quality of that plastic box compared to the 308? Very few cars from 1980 can be compared with a car from 2020. Even your old 456M and 360 are 20 years older. Not apples to apples.

I drove the 812 GTS for about 5 hours straight today, and even though I know the entire range well, I am still amazed at how far Ferrari has come just from the point of the first DCT cars. The F1 box cars were the end of an era and the quality of the cars that followed are just on a completely different level, especially with the 488, F8, 812, Lusso and Porto.

 

Where's your source that confirms that? So far, the gap between the regular Stingray and Z06 have always increased. For example, it was 20 grand between the C6 Stingray and the C6 Z06, but it was 25 grand between the C7 Stingray and C7 Z06. You really think that after GM has spent that much time and money developing an entirely new car, and now also a completely new DOHC engine for it, that they will have the same delta between the C8 cars as they had between the C7? Doubtful. The base C8 was 62k delivered, so even if they only charge 25k more for the Z06, it will end up at 87. But I'd be surprised if the gap was smaller than 30k.

But sure, if you have a credible source, I'm all ears.

 

Bull. I have driven 6 2020/2021 C8's (including my own) and NONE have had ANY of these issues you claim.
I have 3,000 miles on my C8 (note MY C8, not your "up close and personal") and my car is rattle free, has no "rub marks" where panel fitment was off (give me a break...), stitching on the dash is straight, and the all the interior plastic is of fine quality. Is Ferrari leather nicer than Corvette leather? Indeed it is...as it should be. Do Corvettes have dash buttons/trim that delaminate? That would be NO. So, now we have the "dash trim refinish" INDUSTRY that is thriving, thanks to Ferrari.

 

I’m certain everyone here realizes this conversation is going nowhere but off a cliff, right?

 

Yep you are right. Time to move on.

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I was under the impression that the 1st c8s won’t land in Europe till end of October , did they speed the time line? What’s the MSRP there? Are they readily available?
Thanks

 

Let's talk actual driving and car enthusiasm. Took the 812 GTS for a 275 km round-trip today with Sushi at a lovely marina right on the waterfront. Sun and top down the entire time. Absolutely brilliant

Anybody else with some actual car enthusiastic fun stories?

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