Hamilton deserves more respect

Max glanced over at Lewis as he walked by and saw Lewis was still trying to back his car out from under the Red Bull. Lewis probably though he could pull out and get back on track like he normally does, so stop it with this "Max didn’t check on Lewis nonsense. Of course Lewis is going to his play poor little me game afterwards - what else would you suspect? The FIA should be relabled FMA - For Mercedes' Advantage.

 

Hamilton is ok….
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Life-saver or not, it looks clear it spared him injury at the very least:

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Difficult to predict such outcome but one thing is certain.
Cars are now too heavy, too large with oversized wheels.
If you add this parameter with the speed they now achieve you have all the ingredients of a catastrophe in the making.

 

Yes. But there IS a halo.

 

Max did look. Saw Lewis was too busy trying to reverse, figured he was ok.

 

Compared to Ayrton and Michael , Max and Lewis looked like two very nice drivers..

 

No. It was a freak incident at slow speed that may have caused serios injury.
There was no deliberate landing on top of a moving Mercedes.
FIA needs to review sausage kerb design at the very least.

Reminds me of a driver landing on top of Schumacher when he came out of retirement. Very similar but no Halo.
It's racing. Racing is dangerous by default and all drivers know the risk.

 

Max is a pussicat compared with WDC Alan Jones

 

Agree
Alan Jones/Patrick Head combo was full of testosterone !

 

Agree, MV was nothing more than a passenger when the sausage kerb launched his car.
We could see MV looking at Ham as he was trying to reverse back on circuit. It's fair to assume that an injured driver doesn't try to rejoin a live race ?!

 

Did you have this response of the Silverstone incident? Or are you flip flopping again?

 

Returning to the Halo I'm not negating its value as an addition to safety but I also think its effectiveness is too often over stated as THE device that saves someone's life. If that were true Martin Brundle should be dead many times over.

Have a close look at his head in this incident:

NOTE: The video link is good but you need to click on the 'Watch on YouTube' link

 

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Max landed on the roll hoop first (an incredibly strong part), so that took almost all energy out of the crash. After this the car slid forward and the rear tyre momentarily bumped Lewis' head. The car was rested/supported a bit by the Halo, but thinking the halo away, not the full 700kg would actually be rested on his head. The front end would support the most weight and then distributed sideways/forward. No doubt it would've be very comfortable but certainly the halo wasn't a lifesaver yesterday.

The halo certainly saved Grosjean. I don't really see the Halo and it doesn't disturb me. So I'm happy it's there.

It's the same for that Leclerc crash in Spa 2018 where people claimed it saved his life. A car skimming across his helmet doesnt equal instant death (and Brundle was far from a Skim but a definite full on HIT). Like you say, Brundle would've died many a time already. DC would have apparently, too. And so on.

But 100% it saved Grosjean from decapitation so it's good enough for me,

 

Both the TV footage and Max's comments afterwards were showing Lewis trying to reverse so it would be fair to assume that Hamilton was OK which is the most important thing regardless of one's view.

Re Hamilton not having as many incidents as Max, genuine question - are you sure about that ?

Without spending hours on google can you please send me the link to your stats - by no means comprehensive but as a taster re penalties aside of Silverstone we have Hamilton crashing into Albon twice, Monaco twice in the same race for Massa and Maldonado (of all people), Hungary forcing Di Resta off track, Alonso Malaysia for weaving, Massa Singapore, Kimi in both Spa and Japan, crashing into Kimi in the pits, Vettel in France etc


As far as their respective incidents, I'm not counting Team mistakes like unsafe releases, ignoring flags, overtaking safety cars, reprimands, team mate collisions such as Ricciardo, Rosberg/Button, or off track activities such as penalties for lying to stewards.
Best,
Sammy

 

I've been reading through this thread... I use to be a Hamilton fan...I am not totally against him but was pulling more for Max to win. However my allegiance is with Ferrari of course so it was good to see them both out of the race.

So with that said.... I have to agree with those that thought Max should of checked on Lewis. At least Max should have walked over and yelled at him or something and if Lewis was not alright helped him out of the car. It was odd not to even acknowledge Lewis sitting there int he car. I thought that right away.

If I was Max, as mad as I would have been at the situation, I would have checked on him or at least stood there and waiting for him to get out of the car and at least had words with him. Max just basically ran off.... really really odd to me. I have to think that all these F1 drivers are so different than I am. They are culturally vastly different and brought up very different than I was here in the southern USA in the 60's,70's and early 80's.

 

What you are doing is simply pointing out Hamilton's history of incidents. Every driver has a history of incidents. Thats not what the poster is describing. He was saying that Verstappen has as more incidents and is known for having a reputation for crashing which is true.
Trying to change the focus to Lewis is not working here. The stewards saw it differently.

 

Prove it.