Which do you prefer and would you pay $20k to convert f1 to stick
That’s about the delta between an F1 and a stick. I think your better off just buying a factory stick at that price. As far as witch is better that’s personal preference. F1 for me is a different experience that I can’t get anywhere else. As I have numerous other manual cars. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Of all the auto tech advances over the past fifty years, nothing has been as polarizing as the loss of the third pedal. Whilst the latest generation automated gearboxes are a marvel of tech, the original ones in the early cars, like my 575 are just not as good as the manual shifter. The worst part however, is the loss of a direct connection to one of the most important controls you have over these mechanical beasts. If you take pride and enjoy improving your direct driving skills, there simply is no substitute to the third pedal. Driving my gated 360 and my gated Diablo are the closest I get to motoring nirvana.
I think the "$20k to convert" is probably off by a factor of 2. It's more than that for the kit and then it has to be installed. Then there's the wait. How big is the backlog at the shops that do the conversion? I suspect it's greater than 6 months. So not only are you going to be paying a bunch for the conversion, you'll also be paying for the car to sit, maybe out in the open, for a number of months waiting for its turn. Converting a 360 from F1 to gated is not really cost effective yet. It's far better to convert the 430's as they command a super premium for manual.
Yes the wait is probably closer to a year or more. The prices I have seen are more in the $40k range. If you're truly unsure, then you could buy an f1 car while being mentally prepared to spend 40k to convert it. That way if you totally hate the f1 then you have an out. I personally would opt for a factory manual rather than a conversion, but this would give you peace of mind if you are okay with the cost to convert. You'd also have better visibility on how the converted cars perform both from a resale standpoint as well as if there are any potential weak points. fwiw - when i was shopping I looked at a lot of different vehicles and 3 pedal 360 hit the sweet spot of a (relatively) modern car, decent maintenance costs, affordable manual transmission buying cost, bottom of the depreciation curve, beautiful styling, etc.
I have been stressing for weeks and months about this. I'm done caring I'm just picking the next closets car to what i want in the color I want. If i hate it I'll buy the opposite. People who buy Ferraris are usually not too worried about possibly losing a bit of cash on buying/selling them but seeing how the values are going it may not even be a good idea. Life is too short to worry about it i guess s
you'll be fine with whatever you buy. it's inevitable that you'll have cognitive dissonance about it - it's a big purchase. it wears off over time. i'm sure the car will throw you some curveball you're not expecting to take your mind off it.
It truly is a personal preference because for me Im leaning F1. I already have a 2nd gen dodge viper which is 6 speed manual as bare bones as there can be. Im thinking it would be a decent change to get a different setup even if it might not be exactly what I want
yeah I am looking at buying another car around the end of the year and thinking a 575m with an f1 transmission for the same logic you are saying. not that I get enough time to drive the 360 as it is now
So back awhile ago I had a day with both the Stradale, and a F430 manual. Both were at the same price level (at that time) and both were very much similar spec. I drove them equally and took it all in as much as possible. The Stradale with the F1 box is my pick. They both gave me the same visceral feel, and both delivered the vibe that I wanted. I really could not lose either way. I just preferred one over the other. Remember that the F1 was all the rage at one point. Now older manual versions are all the rage. The public is fickle and sways like a pendulum on loads of topics. Drive each of them & you be the judge.
That's a curious thought. I know the "should I swap" conversation pops up a lot, but let's say you are looking at dropping 5-10k doing the clutch anyway, do you save any by doing the swap? Or are you not getting the clutch anyway?
Yup.., pretty sure a clutch swap is a good pm when doing the gated swap, buy an f1-/ enjoy as long as having fun or until any major f1 trouble. I would simultaneously save for the gated swap parts. enjoy the journey!
The car I want is closeish by, right color, year, mileage, is a coupe that I wanted (my RT10 is enough convertible for me). Only thing was the F1 vs gate. Clutch is at 48% so maybe this is an option for me. Good info
Be sure you drive the f1! I found it clunky w a learning curve. But my buddy drives his f1 flawlessly and fast. So maybe I’m just un-coordinated?!
Good info. The only Ferrari I ever drove was a 488 down in Vegas. Drove in auto because it was too much to learn in such little time around the track
Stick shift for sure. You won't get these cars for much longer (manuals). If the F430 manuals wouldn't be asking such a high premium (they are priced like made of solid gold) I would have one today.
This is a question for the heart. When you imagine that perfect day when you're blasting down the country road and the colors of the trees in fall are blurring around you, what are you doing... are you pulling paddles? or are you shifting that metal shift gate.. click click.. click click..
I have other cars that are true manuals and wanted the F1 in the 360 for the value it represents. I find it quite engaging to drive and the upshifts at full song are absolutely brutal. I also went into ownership with a realistic expectation of a 20-year old, single clutch F1 box and was pleasantly surprised with how great it actually is. What else can you buy sub-100k (or sub 80k if you're willing to live with miles) that offers the styling and performance of an F1 360? If I were looking to spend gated money, I think I'd simply prefer an F1 430. And, if I was considering a gated 430, the 458 would be a no-brainer for me. Again, I have other cars that I can drive that provide the analog manual experience. If I were shopping for "the one" I would likely go for the gated car BUT if you simply want to own a 360 I think the F1 provides an incredible value at a nearly 30% price disparity vs the gated cars. Also, you can just about buy an F1 360 AND a 348 (all gated) these days for what you'll pay for a gated 360. Food for thought.
The conversion overall cost is too inflated now, even before the pandemic. Did mine around 6 yrs ago with original Ferrari parts (no CNC fabricated and aftermarket parts like what’s being sold nowadays) for around $10k with labor including new clutch and TOB. Mine’s probably the first 360 convert if not the second that time. Though it’s part luck for me since a fellow Fchat peep back then sold me a complete set of genuine gated parts for a whopping $1,500 only. Then it’s just a simple remove F1 part, install gated parts and then flash ECU and cluster. If I have to decide today, I wouldn’t do it if it will cost me more than $15k. That’s just me though. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I hear ya drest…. I paid 90 for my factory gated modena almost 4 yrs ago…. To be honest I don’t think I’d buy one for 125-150 today….., There are other options for that budget that get me going.
Exactly but for some it’s their poster car so there’s always a buyer even at that range. Like you, I’m not one of the buyer. Would get something else at that price range. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I dont know...I have an f430 spider F1 pulling the paddles on up and downshifts is quite the exhilarating experience!
