F8 190 mph run vs 720S Spider. Close race!

No offense to Jo but zero chance except for a C7 ZR1 or 67 restomod

 

Did you notice my use of the term ‘IMO’? I fully respect CH but I feel he is very wrong about the SF90. He criticised Pista too, as an owner I have made no mention of that. But with SF90 his review was positive until he used ESC Off, at which point he got confused. ‘IMO’ he’s not correct and I bet I’ve driven more miles than he has now. Only my view but other owners are saying similar. Drive it and you’ll see.

 

Nice deflection. Did you schedule your two inspections with Mclaren for the next track day to not lose your warranty?



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Not sure why you think that's a bad thing. At least McLaren offers something to keep warranty for a car used on the track, right?

 

You guys are haters

 

Did you read your warranty booklet for a non Ferrari sponsored event?

 

Exactly. Ferrari will cover you for a Ferrari sponsored track event. Non sponsored event and you may not be so lucky.

 

There was a very interesting interview with Harris after thr TG tests. He was as has been said, not very fond of how the non-AF car performed on ESC off. However, he later commented that the way the AF car he later tested was much better and much more predictable. Why is this relevant? Well, he drove an early press car, and since they started delivering cars delivered to customers, the same firmware has been used for both AF and non-AF cars. This could very well mean that he would be much more positive about a later non-AF car which has the same power management firmware as the AF car. What he basically had issues with, was the power delivery to the front on the non-AF car he tested, but he later said that the AF car was bang on in this regard. So now that they share this firmware, it should not be a problem.

From my experience, the delivery between front and rear is very smooth, so it definitely looks like Ferrari has worked out those bugs.

Reality is that Ferrari is updating this stuff all the time. Just go and drive an early FF with original firmware and one with the latest firmware. It's night and day. An FF with early firmware does not feel very good in its power delivery to the front. Over time it got much, much smoother. The SF90 is no different.

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Interesting. Didn’t know that. Our AF car is seamless, you can’t detect the intervention of the front, whereas on both our FF and Lusso it was apparent.

 

So now Harris' opinion is worthwhile and accurate. Previously he was dismissed but now he is quoted.

 

They are safety inspections which are always required to track your street cars if you want to be responsible. Difference is that McLaren won't void your warranty if you track. This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

 

What I find perplexing is that when one is highly enamored by their car, there still persists the need to have that verified by a reviewer. Conversely, if one is disappointed by the performance of their newly purchased vehicle, does a glowing review serve to enhance the enjoyment of driving and owning the car?

 

Harris believes the 720S arguably the most complete super car ever built. Had numerous issues with the Pista. I far prefer the driving dynamics of the latter and had no interest in purchasing the former as it is overly compliant and refined.

 

That’s really unfortunate. Could your buddy just have kept the slot and sold you the car?

 

As discussed previously, most Ferrari dealers will compel a signed First Right of Refusal Agreement. With a limited edition model, they want to restrict ownership to those with steep Ferrari purchase history.

 

Man the story gets more depressing. Dealer got mad he wanted to sell me his slot and started giving him a hard time about getting the car period. Upset my friend so much he bailed altogether and claims he’s now totally done with Ferrari.

 

Ok of all the crap on this thread…this describes my opinion exactly. My next door neighbor/friend didn’t even know I had an F8 for 2 months. I could care less. It’s about my enjoyment and dreams. I too love it when the kids go nuts about it. I used to react the same way.

 

I didn't quote him. I merely pointed out that while he had made those comments about the non-AF car, he had also been positive about the AF car. Personally I don't read too much into what he thinks. The tendency for me to agree with him seems to be 50/50 across the board. Sometimes I think he is spot on, and other times I think he has lost his mind. As you said, like Lucky's, it's just opinion.

As,for wrong and right. In the case of the SF90 there can be made an argument for an error. Not because,he was wrong, but rather because there was some changes made later on. I don't doubt for a second that he had those issues, but we have to also consider his later statements. The error here was on Ferrari for giving him a car that was not fully developed. They basically shot themselves in the foot. There's also a slim.chance that Ferrari decided to change firmware because of what he said. The SF90 has definitely had its share of teething problems, but hopefully they are having things under control now. There's a major update scheduled for October, so things are still being refined.

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Chris Harris has undergone a seismic shift in his preferences in super cars in the last few years. He now values cars that are light, nimble, simple, preferably manual transmission, with useable power and driving dynamics that exude comfort, predictability with tactile feedback. Of all the Ferraris manufactured in the last 15 years, his favorite is the F430 Scuderia. He far preferred the 720S over the 765 because the latter was too much to handle, and too hyper. For those who follow Harris, his newly discovered preferences and priorities now saliently impact his reviews and must be read through that subjective lens.

 

Not sure what your point is? Why does he have to be all right or all wrong? I don’t agree with his conclusion about SF90 is all. And if you watch the piece, he is very positive about how the car drives, except in ESC OFF mode. Come on, ask yourself, really, how many people is that relevant to? Do you drive your 765 with all the nannies off on the road? It’s not too smart to do that unless you are a pro-level driver and the pro-level drivers I have spoken to wouldn’t do it either.

I didn’t know about what Il Co-pilotta spoke of and if true seems to make some sense. But even then, why base your conclusion on what the car is like without its systems turned on? Try a 599 GTO like that and you get the same thing - an uncontrolled animal. I would also guess there are many cars the same. 458/488/F8 has a very benign chassis. I’ve never once felt the need to select ESC OFF in any of the cars I have owned from that platform, whereas CT OFF is ideal. The SF90 drives outstandingly well and compares very favourably with the other cars I have owned/driven. Not sure why that’s so contentious with you, even if you happened not to agree with it. Every owner I’ve read is saying the same thing so yeah, I don’t think Chris is right on this one but I usually like his style and take on motoring whether I agree (which is mostly) or not. Top Gear (CH’s employer) also did an article on the SF90 that is extremely positive, almost all of which I agree with - even the negative stuff. In fact they articulate exactly what I have been saying about this car for weeks now (I only read it in the last few days).

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/ferrari/sf90-stradale

 

Who cares what Harris or any other reviewer has to say about a car if you as the owner feel different?

 

Unfortunately, many super car enthusiasts tend to be insecure and constantly seek positive affirmation by reviewers to be reassured that they made the right buying choice.

 

^this

 

That’s awful…what a mess…

 

. Not my understanding according to what I was told on Saturday by FOCF. Was there to lock spec for the F8 Spider. A minimum 180 day moratorium on reselling. Seems like a lifetime in today’s world.

Sorry about your friend. The question is, will they care?

Thought you guys would get a kick out if this…….it’s red with the Italian stripe behind the Monza…….. bring a million and get change for the FL Turnpike on the ride home.

The red Spider (demo) is close to my spec, about five months out..
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