Hamilton deserves more respect

That's a fair synopsis.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Yep. 100%.

Lewis overrode the team and made the strategy call himself, then berated the team when it didn't work out. Again. I honestly don't know how anyone can call themselves a fan of his. A fan of the Merc team, yeah, and even more so for successfully managing that poisonous personality.

 

Self-righteous much?

 

If someone is looking purely at the driving, and can ignore whatever tripe he says in the car and outside of it, I can understand it. His attitude/personality however, even the one to do with racing only, is just piss poor. I can forgive the odd outburst here and there for anyone, but it's time and time again that Lewis doesn't let it stick to just the brief outburst. "We win and lose as a team" certainly doesn't apply to him. He was complaining about his tyres since what, lap 7?

After spending the last 8 seasons winning everything under the sun with the greatest car and a nearly faultless team, he's still acting as if they don't have his best interest at heart.

I don't care for his personality after the PR team got with him (even that one that I saw later on didn't put him in a great light). It's been so often that his true colours shine through. He's a nasty piece of work.

I'd love for him to race for Ferrari just one season. He'll crumble worse than a sausage roll. I don't think he could deal with the daily incompetence the likes of Vettel, Leclerc and Kimi put up with.

 

I honestly don't see what is so nasty about him. His outburst today sounded like any other driver.
I actually would have love to see him in Ferrari. I would tune in just for the drama.

 

For me the situation is simple...Lewis has had by far the fastest car (until this year when the advantage is minimal), so for him to moan at every given opportunity, well it gets old quick.

Vettel had an outrageous outburst back in Mexico, but it was understandable to an extend: Driving the slower car, constantly the FIA making questionable calls, the car being slowed down by the FIA, the pressure of italy on his shoulders...

Alonso when he was rude to Mclaren, it was understandable giving how laughably bad the combination of the two was. There was just no point in driving any more as they'd be overtaken by vastly inferior drivers in teams with a budget 5x smaller. It was a joke.

Kimi...spend years being the whipping boy and had wins taken away from him by the team. And then to be on the receiving end of incompetence of the team, to the extend that the team forgot he was even racing....no **** he gets angry.

For Lewis to do the moaning that he did, even with big advantages in the championships, in much faster cars, to finish P2 instead of P1 in what was often his own decision (or not even absolutely certain that he lost the race because of a team strategy), to then bemoan them and as often as he did...it's just not on.

EDIT:

And yes I'd give some leeway if circumstances allow for it, or quickly the moaning stops. But there comes a point when it's done so often and not very justified. With Lewis it always gives the ''me against the world'' vibe

 

Dude practically forgot the last race, the team won it for him. Now he's throwing his toys out of the pram (as usual) when things don't go his way. It's purely his fault as even a rookie would have known the tyres will only start operating well in a certain window. He wasn't looking at the long game. Damn..i forgot he lectured about this being a marathon, and not a sprint.

What a overrated prima donna.

 

Ham is not cool.

He could learn a lot from Prost.

 

He doesn't even know what team stands for, he's an egomaniac. I appreciate the drivers who make a big show to the outside but play team to the inside and nobody does have a problem with that.

 

Man stop giving all the other drivers passes for doing the same thing Lewis does ! I've noticed you and others like to give other drivers passes. You come up with excuse after excuse for other drivers. EVERY driver complains to thier team, stop singling out Hamilton. In all motorsports drivers complain about something. It seems that some of you are new to motorsports sometimes.
Also Hamilton is a 7 time champ and is breaking records, so whatever way he goes about his bussiness is working.

 

Is that why Mercedes keep extending his contract?

 

bingo

 

No. Other drivers who has'nt won a champion can learn from Prost. Not Hamilton. Prost will never be as historically significant than Hamilton. Hamilton will own the history books for sometime.

 

There are no i's in team.

Except when you spell it as Lewis Hamilton.

 

But there is a i in win. And Hamiltin has the record.

 

Yeah, because hunger pains are the same thing as biting the hand that has fed you since 2014.

 

Unfortunately, no. It can be easily argued that despite having the highest number of wins he is NOT (Not yet) the most succesful driver in F1 history, so it is not a fact; and "most popular driver in Fchat history" is really debatable, and not supported by any figure that I know of.
The weight of his record is a matter of opinion. He may have the highest number of wins, but he is not, by far, the most succesful driver in F1 history: among the WDC (and mutliple WDC), that remains Fangio, who had won one race out of every two he entered.
Lewis in now at 100 out of 282, that is to say, the same percentage as Jim Clark; however, his success rate is well below Clark's in the matter of Pole-Positions (101 out of 282 vs Clark's 33 out of 72) or lap records (a paltry 57 out of 282 vs 28 out of 72 for the Flying Scott). So, same percentage of wins, higher percentage of pole and higher percentage of lap records still: Clark is more succesful than Lewis.

So before asserting what the history book will say, let's wait for the historians to balance their appreciation. Statistics do not make history books, as one can look at statistics in many different ways...in fact, it should be possible to find a statistic for supporting each and every conclusion. You need historians to make history books.
Furthermore, their are things that are by their essence not quantifiable in numbers: class, panache, fighting spirit...

Rgds

 

Lewis deserved a penalty for running Checo wide(typical) at the entrance to the pitlane. Checo did a stand-up job yesterday, well done.

 

Ham has forgotten Rule Number 1 :

People are remembered for the content of their character.

We cannot recall how many trinkets John McEnroe won. He's judged by his behaviour.

 

Your view of success maybe different from mine. You said statistics do not make history books, yet you point out Clark's statistics. I judge by what a driver has accomplished throught his entire career.

 

Surely a patent case of double standards: Clarks' statistics are just here to show that your affirmation that "Lewis is the most successfull" cannot be proved: his stats are not the best on one hand, and on the other this entire thread shows that many among us thinks that he lacks class, panache and had had an easy life, as he never won in adversity
("A vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire" Pierre Corneille, le Cid, XVIIth Century "vanquishing without difficulty gives you a meaningless Triumph")
And how do you KNOW what he has accomplished? I see a high number of wins, but a lacklustre career; I bet none of his wins will ever be compared to Gilles Villeneuve's race in Dijon in 1979, or his wins in Monaco and Spain in 1981 (just to please Pedro...)

Trouble is, you can be happy with what you think; but it would be much harder to convince a couple of old farts here who remember some real figures...
(For the old farts here: has anyone the slightest memory of Jim Clark - among others - having ever complained about anything?)

Rgds

 

+1 Jim Clark was a great champion in a lethal era of F1. Drivers today don't feel that they are putting their lives at risk every time they step into the car(with the exception of Grosjean's accident). The cars were fragile, unreliable and had virtually no safety equipment. Safety measures, marshalling and emergency personnel at the circuits virtually nonexistent.

 

Totally fine how you feel about past drivers. I respect Clark and all past champions. All drivers are hated by some and liked by others. History stats won't care about our feelings.

 

Incomparable eras, even compared with the late '90's.

Cruising around in Disneyland with the dominant Mercedes is not winning against adversity.

It's also clear that Bottas was wearing a Hamilton straightjacket. He's improved since removing the jacket at Monza.