We all know that this next engine generation will be worse in terms of noise than the current generation. Apart from an atmospheric V8 powered by EFuel, I don’t see an attractive alternative for enthusiasts.
So 2 for the V6 and 2 for the V4. Given Honda are out and will assist RedBull Im surprised they want a 'new' V4. The V6 exists along with the manufacture base and systems. Simplification of the electric is where the focus makes sense. New engines mean chassis modification etc in many areas. How can that be less expensive?? Let the games begin with the FIA and the teams/engine makers lol. We do not have concise numbers for all this so we can speculate all day! I will vote/speculate FIA goes with the V4. Number of cylinders do not matter as the total power output is the focus. V4 will come across as an improvement in terms of environment and economy.
Yeah, but to actually go to a race live, nothing makes the the hair on the back of your neck stand up like the sound of a v10 or 12 at full scream. It really gets your blood flowing.
Certainly. But we will not relive such days unless you are a historic fan. We see now what is the future. E and smaller displacement with E-supplement. We will survive lol
We are talking about pleasure here and not about surviving. When will the Westerners stop this unhealthy autoflagellation?
The evolution of F1 does not equal the end of the world. I will wait to see what is decided and presented. No other options.
I have been thinking about this for a while and came to the following conclusion: Keep the 1.6L V6 turbo hybrid and 750 Kg weight with 210 Kg fuel; and allow an: alternative 1.6L V6 turbo, no hybrid, and allow these cars to run at 500 Kg with 150 Kg fuel. For safety, instead of mandating various crush zones,... simply have a rule about your driver getting significantly hurt == loss of points accumulated so far that year.
Yep I'll be checking out at that point. V4 will be disastrous. Gp3 ran turbo 4 cyl for a while and even they switched to a more exciting NA V6 (that does sound rather great). **** knows. F1 is not and never has been relevant. It's a sport. It should entertain. If they want to be relevant might as well forget the ICE and go straight with stupid electric engines.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alpine-calls-on-fia-to-be-all-over-rival-f1-teams-collaborating-/6650308/ Alpine calls on FIA "to be all over" rival F1 teams collaborating By: Filip Cleeren Co-author: Jonathan Noble Aug 19, 2021, 9:31 AM Alpine Formula 1 executive director Marcin Budkowski says his team expects the FIA "to be all over" rival teams collaborating on their 2022 car designs. Last season Racing Point caused a stir when it arrived in winter testing in Barcelona with a car that looked a lot like the Mercedes from 2019, the team it bought a gearbox, power unit and other unlisted parts from. Its midfield rivals were alarmed about the design of the RP20, with Alpine - then called Renault - leading the charge against the Silverstone outfit by filing protests after the Styrian, Hungarian and British Grands Prix, arguing Racing Point's rear brake ducts were illegally copied from Mercedes. The protest was upheld, and Racing Point was docked 15 constructors' points and fined €400,000 after Silverstone. Renault initially appealed the decision before drawing a line under the matter. In the wake of the Racing Point controversy, F1 tightened its rules on reverse engineering, banning the use of 3D cameras and complex software systems to copy rival designs. But Alpine has called on the FIA to remain vigilant ahead of the massive 2022 regulation changes, which provide a lot of scope for teams to benefit from collaborating with their partner teams. "Clearly going into 2022, a massive change in regulations, big development slope, lots of performance being gained on these cars, very green fresh set of regulations, the benefits you can get from collaboration, whether it's legal or less so, are massive," Budkowski said. "And if there's a year where these kinds of collaborations can pay off, it's this year, for 2022. Image Unavailable, Please Login Marcin Budkowski, Executive Director, Alpine F1 Photo by: Charles Coates / Motorsport Images "So clearly, if there's a year where we expect the FIA to be really all over it, it's this year." When asked if he was concerned a repeat of the Racing Point saga was possible or if he believed the FIA was now policing the matter sufficiently, Budkowski said it was a "difficult question" but admitted there was some concern. "I don't know what's going on in other people's factories, and I don't know what level of scrutiny the FIA is putting on this," he explained. "Us as an independent team, obviously we don't come under scrutiny of sharing anything with our competitors, because it would be against our own interests. "The Formula 1 I think we'd all like to see is 10 teams or 11, or 12, in the future, that just fight each other mercilessly and are just there for their own sporting success. "And from the moment that teams have a common interest in exchanging information, that's a problem, because it shouldn't be the case, you shouldn't be helping your competitors. "So, there's a concern there but I can't say how much, I'm not going to accuse people because effectively I don't know. And I hope that there is nothing happening."
Obviously there will always be some people objecting to new rules. As for the possibility of adopting a V4 configuration, that cannot be bad either. If i am correct, Porsche took 3 WEC tittles and 4 Le Mans wins with a V4 turbo hybrid, so that proves the design worthy of consideration. Also, in contradiction to what someone has once said here, a 4-cyl CAN be stress bearer too. If there is something wrong, it's the FIA imposing an engine configuration; that should be left free.
Assumption is teams unable to agree - then decision imposed by FIA. Then watch them, the teams and makers sell it to the public as the greatest invention ever!
In my ideal world, the teams wouldn't have to agree on engine configuration,; each team would be free to chose the one it prefers. I still cannot understand why the FIA wants to impose it.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-f1s-upcoming-rule-changes-are-presenting-headaches-for-teams/6659770/ How F1’s upcoming rule changes are presenting headaches for teams By: GP Racing Sep 4, 2021, 7:48 AM Exciting as the Formula 1 title battle is right now, things are getting even more fraught behind the scenes. BEN EDWARDS looks at the difficult decisions being made as the teams pivot towards a new ruleset The August break has been a crucial opportunity for F1 personnel to draw breath and recentre before it all goes bonkers again. For those heading to the tracks, we’re about to see an incredibly intense period of racing, with travel and jetlag becoming a huge factor in the decisive part of the 2021 season. Back at base, the staff working in factories may avoid jetlag but the challenge of piecing together the all-new aspects of technical rule changes for 2022 is an ongoing maelstrom. Engineers have been flat-out since the first day of January, when the teams were allowed to begin windtunnel and computer studies of the all-new aerodynamic regulations, but it’s not only the aero departments that have been working to an accelerated level. According to senior F1 technical experts who have been involved in big rule shifts over the years, the changes have never been this ambitious. Much of the knowledge that has built up around the current cars in the design and engineering departments has effectively been wiped off the board and everyone is starting from a fresh viewpoint. As one of the veterans said to me, “ambitious is brave; let’s see where it ends up”. PLUS: Will 2022's all-new cars look like F1's concept model? While the aerodynamic work is centred on strict parameters which aim to allow far better opportunities for cars to overtake, the changes in many other departments are creating huge workloads. And every item must be approved by steely-eyed accountants, thanks to the budget cap that is already in place and which will be further reduced over the next few years. Image Unavailable, Please Login Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes W12, and Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes W12, leave the garage Photo by: Steve Etherington / Motorsport Images It’s not just the financial side that is changing engineers’ perspectives. Imagine that your passion for technical brilliance has lifted you to a senior position in the department that studies and creates the remarkable braking system on an F1 car. Under the new rules, all of your inspirational discoveries and subtle tweaks combining mechanical, hydraulic and electronic brake-by-wire technology must now be drawn up and handed over to the FIA where access will be given to every other team. It is no longer your secret, despite all that effort, and I wonder what Colin Chapman, the genius designer and originator of Lotus, would say... We are heading into a fascinating period of excitement both on track and behind the scenes. The close battle between Red Bull and Mercedes this year has been something we have all enjoyed, and in theory the new rules will bring the entire grid closer together The braking system is deemed to be an ‘open-source’ component in the revised regulations, as is the fuel system, so it will be easy to see what your rivals are up to in those areas. Yet much of the car is still secret and while there are tight rules in certain areas, there’s still a wide field of opportunity in terms of gaining performance. One area is in maximising the use of new 18-inch tyres and the many consequences of bigger, heavier wheels. New suspension regulations ban the use of gas springs and inerters – the specialist dampers that have been a part of F1 since the early 2000s – but there is still freedom in wishbone design and spring/damper activation. As viewers, we might enjoy the sight of some cars on pushrods while others use pullrods to activate their steel torsion springs. One of the biggest previous regulation shifts took place in the early 1980s when ground effect was banned. The science of using air flow beneath the car to create a vacuum effect against the track surface was severely limited, yet now we are seeing that element coming back in a much more defined manner. By using floor-generated downforce, the opportunity to reduce the volume of disturbed air from external wings will hopefully lead to closer racing. Image Unavailable, Please Login Carlos Sainz Jr., Ferrari with 2022 18-inch Pirelli Zero Photo by: Pirelli Yet there are some caveats. Since 1994, the lower edge of every car’s sidepod has been 50mm higher than the base of the car beneath the cockpit. When watching fast laps, we often see cars run wide over sausage kerbs on corner exits; if the sidepod area skims over the top it usually continues unhindered, but if the central floor of the car rides over the kerb, the driver’s spine not only takes a hefty thump, but the floor tray often takes damage. Under the new regulations, the floor will be completely level and, from what I’m hearing, the use of raised rear rideheight, known as ‘rake’, is also going to be less common. So the outer edges of the floor, which will have become an even more powerful aero tool, are going to be susceptible to damage. Arguments about track limits will no doubt centre on those sausage kerbs, especially as the loss of several floors through a season will have a big impact on budgets. We are heading into a fascinating period of excitement both on track and behind the scenes. The close battle between Red Bull and Mercedes this year has been something we have all enjoyed, and in theory the new rules will bring the entire grid closer together. There are varied opinions on whether that will happen in the first season. With such defined regulations, some believe there’s little chance of going off at a tangent and coming up with something either brilliant or utterly hopeless that will spread out the grid. Others see plenty of potential traps as well as positive opportunities that will create differences in performance. PLUS: Is F1 set for rule revolution regret again? None of us will have any idea until the cars go wheel to wheel for the first time in 2022. In the meantime, it’s the donkey work executed away from the spotlight that, as ever, will determine the outcome. Image Unavailable, Please Login Drivers group photo with the 2022 F1 car Photo by: Liberty Media
Norris: 2022 Formula 1 cars "not as nice" to drive relative to 2021 By: Jonathan Noble Co-author: Marco Congiu Oct 4, 2021, 4:05 AM Lando Norris says his early impression from the McLaren simulator of Formula 1’s 2022 car is that it is "not as nice" to drive as current machinery. Image Unavailable, Please Login F1’s teams are currently flat out working on the new rules era that comes in for next year. The aim of the radical ground effect cars is to try to allow cars to run much closer together in battle, which should have a benefit for making overtaking easier. PLUS: How F1’s upcoming rule changes are presenting headaches for teams But the new aero platform, a big cut in downforce, plus new tyres, will make the handling of the 2022 challengers unique – as Norris has noted in the simulator. Speaking exclusively to Autosport at the launch of his new LN Racing Kart, Norris said: “It's a very different car to drive. In a way not as nice as this season. “But I think hopefully that's the same case with every other team as well. And we'll see, there's no point trying to think it's amazing or terrible. “You just have to do the best job you can and hopefully, next season, we go to the pre-season test with a good car.” F1 fans have already been offered a glimpse of what a 2022 car could look like, as Liberty Media revealed a concept version at the British Grand Prix. Norris said McLaren’s development had not got as far as manufacturing yet, with the drawings he has seen regularly changing as his team learns more about the new regulations. “The only car we've seen is the one at Silverstone,” said Norris. “The car we have in the factory, it's not even a car. It's a drawing and some paper. Image Unavailable, Please Login The 2022 Formula 1 car launch event on the Silverstone grid. Nose and front wing detail Photo by: Andy Hone / Motorsport Images “I don't think we will see it for many more months, maybe not until next year in a way. “We've seen some of the drawings and the designs for next season, but every week, it's something new and something different, because there's so many different things with the car. “But every week it's very easy to make changes and make it quicker and quicker.” F1’s simulator work will be critical for teams to ensure they maximise performance with the new cars, as testing will be restricted to just two weeks next year. Fernando Alonso said he expected the forthcoming winter to be the most intense he has experienced in his F1 career. Asked about what will be critical to car performance in 2022, Alonso said: “I think it will depend more on the performance of how our cars are working in the simulator, and working in winter testing. “Eventually after three or four races you [will hopefully be]on top of the car and on top of the regulations enough that the performance of the car will dictate the results you will get, as we see now. “In terms of adaptation, I don’t think it’s going to be a big difference. It’s just some hard work, or harder than any other winter, because we will have to spend a little bit more time in the simulator together with the team.” https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/norris-2022-formula-1-cars-not-as-nice-to-drive-relative-to-2021/6680783/
AMuS Michael Schmidt: "We hear from Ferrari sources that the combustion engine is also making good progress, and they are very confident that they will be able to adapt well to the E10 fuel." Image Unavailable, Please Login
