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  1. I sorta doubt it.
    On the same note (crying), have you reviewed your "selfies" (specifically, your posts) from the past few years? :p
    I didn't hear the sky guys slinging any mud at Max or Red Bull. Just a random thought. ;)
     
  2. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    If u say so, I want more of the good stuff then.
    Bas is so passionate he could tell u what max had for breakfast and Lewis’s lunch. I’m joking but he truly display love for thé thing. I’m sure u do too but most of the time u denigrate every driver but Charles don’t and I don’t get it. I hope max win against a strong Hamilton not a crap one otherwise what’s the value ?
    Dénigrâting Lewis is lowering Max’s accomplishment and he deserves none of that imho. Max is awesome this year


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  3. Bas

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    I didn't see Sammy insult others in this thread.

    Or ever, come to think of it.
     
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    I'm talking about the second stint FFS, what they did as usual was put themselves in no man's land.

    At the end of the day what's done is done, Max was just too strong for them today.

    Hamilton was very disappointing in that last stint given how impressive he was on the first stint on hards, I expected so much more from him.

    Verstappen and RB are just too strong this season.
     
  5. furoni

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    They're a bit touchy tonight..i wonder why!
     
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  6. lagunacc

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    Toto: Lewis, you're racing for the win!

    Moretti: Lewis, you're getting old !
     
  7. ingegnere

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    Spain 2021: Merc stopped HAM twice, gave up track position—on a track that’s supposed to be hard to overtake on—and still won because of tire deg on Max’s car.

    Today: as noted, Merc couldn’t undercut Max—unless it was even earlier than Max’s very early first stop—and he wasn’t close enough to undercut his second. As Horner explained, they stopped Max before he could be undercut by HAM. So Merc tried for a late stop to have fresher tires at the end. Simple as that.

    The problem Merc have is not strategy—it’s that they no longer have such a dominant car that they can make any strategy work. Or that they could split strategies so they always have one of their drivers up front and then use team orders to put HAM in 1st. Now, they have to race every lap… and risk breaking engines to do so on top of that.
     
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    "nd Ricci and Norris are a great pair..."

    Speaking of a nice pair . . .

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  9. furoni

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    Newey's return might have helped, for the first time in some races, Max car looked to be spot on again!
     
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  10. Bas

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    and as the data showed, as I keep having to repeat...there was no undercut to be had.
     
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  11. furoni

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    Best post all night...i bet she drives a lot better than max or elton!
     
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  12. Jack-the-lad

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    #362 Jack-the-lad, Oct 24, 2021
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    The “team” stops when the red lights go out. Then it should be 100% driver. The “excitement” added by arbitrary tire rules and the artificial pit stops they require don't really contribute to what F1 should be about: ultimate speed. Going at less that maximum possible speed to “preserve” tires is the opposite of what F1 should be about. Do you want “the very best not achieving by their superior performance” because of the inferior performance of a tire changer or the “race engineer”? I don’t. I want the car and driver at maximum performance on every lap.
     
  13. jgonzalesm6

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    Can I have an Amen----->AMEN!!!!!
     
  14. furoni

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    WEll, gotta go to sleep, must get up early tomorrow, it was fun, see you tomorrow!
     
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  15. Wass85

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    So you give away the undercut so why on God's earth would you box just 3 laps later FFS, 3 damn laps, I mean that's going to give you a massive tyre advantage said no one ever!

    Well in that 3 laps Verstappen had gained several seconds on Hamilton, well played there Mercedes, a blinder.

    And as for Perez forcing them in to boxing, you stay out much longer and Perez would have been passed in a breeze.

    I'll say it again, Mercedes were terrible.
     
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  16. Bas

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    Man I miss the V10 era, and part of the V8 era still. Fill tank, new tyres. Race. Empty tank, pit, fill tank, sometimes replace the tyres (hell at times back then sometimes they kept a set on, or replaced only fronts or rears!), off you go until the tank is empty again...flat out balls to the walls racing.
     
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  17. Bas

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    The moment Max went into the pit, Lewis told the team that his tyres where in great shape.
     
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    So what was the brilliant idea of keeping Hamilton out for a whopping extra 3 laps in the first stint all about, a real tactical masterplan that was, let's just gift Verstappen several seconds for the fun of it.
     
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    They could be in the best shape possible, still they weren't in better shape than a new set of rubber. Don't Mercedes have access to any data like?
     
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  21. jgonzalesm6

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    Agreed.

    F1 currently is sanitized.

    Tire preservation....pffft.
    Component limits....pffft.
    Fuel flow regulation....pfft
    Aero elements all over the car.....pfft.
     
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  22. Bas

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    Will wait till I have full radios available. Either way, Mercedes team is not stupid. They have a massive data centre that analyses for any scenario and probability of scenarios happening. Maybe Lewis overrode the pitwall on the stops, I don't know. Probability is also that Perez' stop to mediums forced Lewis to cover and couldn't go on their (preferred?) 1 stop. If Lewis pitted around lap 20 the 1 stop was way to go.
     
  23. lagunacc

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    MB would have probably kept LH out even longer during the 1st stint if RB hadn't pit Perez.

    Max could have probably passed LH during the 1st stint. He radioed saying he's faster and LH is sliding around, to which RB responded 'yeah, thanks'.
    Looks like RB didn't want to force a pass, maybe to give MB a false sense of security.

    RB were definitely driving the narrative with both drivers, with MB reacting.
     
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  24. Nuvolari

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    All of this 'Monday morning quarterbacking' is absolutely rubbish.

    Neither team dropped the ball or let their driver down. Two teams ran very different strategies which were each executed with near perfection. Each driver drove sensationally and in the end there was only going to be one winner. Tiny differences between Max and Lewis were the classic punch and counter punch each elevating the others performance. It could have so easily gone in one direction or the other and in the end Max won out fair and square.

    Somedays you just get beat. It's really that simple.
     
  25. ingegnere

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    #375 ingegnere, Oct 24, 2021
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    Why 3 laps only? Maybe their model was showing that they were losing too much time to VER and so even if they had 10 or 12 lap younger tires after the 2nd stop Max would be too far up the road to go catch him, even if HAM was setting fastest lap after fastest lap.
     
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