Hamilton deserves more respect

I guess we saw diferent races ...what i saw was the guy in second trying to pass the guy in front in a place were you cannot pass unless the other guy rolls over a red carpet for you.....we all know wich one of the 2 liked to crash against others...and it wasn't Prost!

 

Sorry Pedro? You mean, when Senna smashed Prost? That was 1990: Luca wasn't at Ferrari at the time, he came back only later, in 1993; or you mean in 1997, using the 1990 incident as a precedent?

Rgds

 

I disagree; Prost never purposely crashed on Senna; he simply made clear before the Suzuka 1989 race that he would not be opening the door and that he woud not make the overtake easier to Senna. Senna tried nevertheless, and they crashed. But Senna knew that Prost would not open the door for him, he had been forewarned by Prost.
So 1989 is not the reason why Sennna pushed Prost outside the year after: 1990 was not a revenge on Prost for 1989; in 1990, Senna was upset because he had asked for the Pole-Position to be changed and reversed: he wanted to start from the other side of the track, because he thought that the side he was supposed to start from had less traction. At first, he was led to believe that the positions would indeed be reversed, only to discover later that they would not. This is why he spearheaded into Prost.

Rgds

 

Fair enough. And what about the ridiculous penalty?

 

What about the ridiculous penalty when Senna was able to get back on the race?

 

On that one i agree with you..it was ridiculous and ill conceived...

 

Correct, He was only apointed in 1991 if i'm not mistaken, can't remenber who was at the helm back then...Fiorio was of course the boss of f.1, but it was not up to him to take a decision, but i remenber someone said they would not pursue a case against Senna but that they were unwiling to sped millions to see it all trhown dow the drain by an irresponsible action...maybe it was Agnelli himself.

 

As far as my memory, etc...

Senna won the race, but was then disqualified for having been pushed by the marshalls to go back on the track; being the paranoïd that he was, Senna was sure that Balestre was behind the decision, but truth is that Balestre wasn't even present at the stewards meeting when they took the decision to disqualify Senna.
Then, McLaren and Senna decided to appeal the disqualification; at the FISA hearing in Paris for the appeal, the decision was upheld with an additional 100.000 $ file and six months suspension for Senna's "Dangerous driving".
Conclusion: they should not have appealed.

Senna always was convinced that Balestre and Prost were accomplice; truth is that Balestre might have been rooting for Prost, but Prost was much more restrained and neutral; for reasons that I have explained here in the past, Balestre was a VERY controversial character, and not many people would have liked to be associated with him in France.
My feeling is that McLaren and Senna might have infuriated Balestre when they appealed; but Senna's disqualification after the race was the stewards decision, and the stewards alone.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-ayrton-senna-was-nearly-banned-from-f1

Rgds

 

Yes, I checked: Luca was appointed in November 1991.

Rgds

 

"justice was made" ?
Balestre NEVER wanted to favour Prost.
He hated Prost deeply because Alain had the audacity to challenge his decisions many times before.
By this decision he also wanted to show Senna who was the boss either, nothing more..

 

Steawards decision that was so ridiculous that even Piquet defended Senna, even though they were not friends...

 

Well, as for a proof, I have my reservations: considering Piquet's mischevous behavior in many instances, he might have defended Senna just to push Senna to appeal...

The decision was the stewards' job and privilege; it has then been appealed and confirmed, that's all there is to say; "Dura lex, sed lex"; no use to cry over spilled milk.
If things had been different, the out come might have been different; but things being what they were, this is the outcome.
As we say in French: "with if and buts, you could then put Paris in a bottle"; or "if my aunt got some, then she would be my uncle".

You could also blame Senna for having tried to pass where he did and taken a too big risk: "patience and waiting for your time are better than force and rage" ("Patience et longueur de temps font plus que force et que rage" Jean de la Fontaine, XVIIth century)
The truth is the the culprit in the matter was Senna himself, and he was furious precisely because he knew it. Prost had said before the race that he intended not to "open the door", but Senna choose to try anyway: he tried, he lost. He could have waited for a better opportunity, but he was sure that Prost would yeld. He did not. Senna misjudged the whole matter; brain short-circuit, if you ask me.

Rgds

 

Bottas being Bottas.



Onboard Hamilton:

 

Not kuch he could've done. He had to keep an eye out for Lewis. If he chopped max, he'd get a penalty. If he covered max, max would go down the middle. If Lewis was there, max would go on the inside. Max braked so late that corner, I have sincere doubts Lewis would've been able to do anything about it.

Lewis and toto blaming bottas is really low in this regard. If Lewis could do so much better, why didn't he take advantage of the incredible tows he was given and put it in pole?

 

because he got Tsudoda-ed lol. Blame goes around..,,

 

Balestre really was the worst. Really glad that nazi is gone.

 

Eh? Lewis wasn't held up by that no?

 

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.i-have-a-lot-of-respect-for-him-hamilton-clarifies-mexico-city-gp-comment-on.3bw7lb91wRyd7fkdbdukFB.html

Thank goodness for the PR team, this clarifies everything and Lewis totally isn't a narcissistic tool

 

No, just saying everyone points fingers when a plan falls apart (Horner blaming Tsunoda for RBR’s qualifying results)

 

Got you . Yeah that comment was ****ing way out of place from red Bull brass

 

Ham is preachy snakeoil. Does anyone actually believe anything he says ?

 

Only his most devoted

 

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