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  1. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Interesting - I feel the opposite. Sold the ff bc it was boring (to me) and uneventful compared to old stuff [emoji23]


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  2. jtremlett

    jtremlett F1 Rookie

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    Hmmm. Steering definitely isn't heavy, so I wonder if that is something about that car? Clutch gets heavier the closer it gets to needing a new one. Gearbox needs to warm up, like most manual Ferraris.
     
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  3. 21ATS

    21ATS Formula Junior

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    It was heavy, the clutch was very heavy but I did get more used to it during the drive.

    I just remember commenting when I drove the manual 575 how light everything was, clutch, steering etc. It was a joy to drive in a way the 550 wasn't today.

    When the sales guy took me out he was struggling to find gears and wasn't a smooth manual driver at all.
     
  4. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Should not be that different in feel since they use the same steering box and hydraulic steering ECU (FHP on her possibly?) and clutch mechanisms. Like Jonathan said, the clutch gets heavier towards end of life as the geometry goes non-optimal/over center. Try another one. Biggest differences in feel should be engine (575M much stouter) and suspension (Bilstein vs Sachs).
     
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  5. 21ATS

    21ATS Formula Junior

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    Would 35,000 miles be about the life of the clutch on one of these? I didn't look through the paperwork to see if it had ever been changed. Maybe I just drove a car in need of a clutch, having never driven one before (other than a 575) I have nothing to measure it against.

    I have to say Foskers were a delight to deal with. Very easy.

    They also had 1 XO in there, the 456 Venice that's been photographed a lot over the years.
     
  6. 21ATS

    21ATS Formula Junior

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    This is why I was looking for one, I drove an FF and it was an incredible car, but way too much and way too easy to hit licence losing speeds.

    I was looking for a more analogue vehicle I just wasn't expecting such a big difference between the 550 and a 575. Maybe the 575 was spot on and the 550 is tired.
     
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  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Clutch life is widely variable due to driver input/skill level. Last time I checked my F1 575M clutch life, it extrapolated out to 62,000 miles.
     
  8. jtremlett

    jtremlett F1 Rookie

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    Now I see why I couldn't find it. Although it wasn't registered until March 2000 it should have been registered very early in 1999 based on the chassis number and I didn't look that far back. I have some history but don't have information on why it wasn't registered for a year or so.
     
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  9. haroonok

    haroonok Formula 3

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    That tan dash is a no-no for me…
     
  10. 21ATS

    21ATS Formula Junior

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    That was the only part I wasn't keen on, but as it needed a re trim anyway I would have gone blue scuro with the top half of the dash.

    The reality is it needed a full interior doing.
     
  11. Sonnjoh

    Sonnjoh Rookie

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    So assuming it might need a new clutch and a full interior retrim, does anyone have recent experience of how much that would be ?
     
  12. Ferrari55whoa

    Ferrari55whoa F1 Rookie
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    Dealer clutch at Ferrari of Atlanta I thought I saw $10k semi recently
     
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  13. marce

    marce Formula Junior

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    It's possible a lighter clolour dash would not get as hot, therefore not have as much shrinkage..... can anyone confirm this ?
     
  14. Themaven

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    Typically you would see a like for like LHD achieving 30% less than a RHD. As well as being harder to sell. However, each car is a little different. Right now, even harder to sell LHD in the UK because of Brexit so that difference may be getting wider.
     
  15. Themaven

    Themaven F1 Rookie

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    It does sound like there was something wrong with that 550. Or maybe you misremember the 575s after driving your other cars? I have found myself misremembering cars I have reviewed when I go back to them.

    I drove my 550 and 575 back to back all the time. While they are different, the steering on the 550 was if anything lighter (as the 575 has FHP). Clutch the same. Gearchange maybe 575 a hint heavier but really I don't think I could tell them apart blind, not like the difference between my 575 and my gated 430.

    If anything the 575 is a heavier car to drive than the 550 in terms of needing more effort (or at least having more feedback which makes you feel like you are making effort) with the steering. 575 does go harder, but I can't see how this would make it feel lighter.

    It could have been something like wrong tyre pressures which give a car like this a very different vibe, plus maybe the clutch was on its way out.

    I suggest you get yourself in another 575 and 550! You are welcome to sample my 575.
     
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  16. rhern213

    rhern213 Formula Junior

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    Hot damn!
     
  17. Ferrari55whoa

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  18. rhern213

    rhern213 Formula Junior

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    Ahh, I know that car very well I was prepping to bid and buy it! But ultimately passed because I decided to go with the Blue one I got.
     
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  19. 21ATS

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    Such a kind offer Darius thank you.

    A friend of mine owns a 575 F1 (in Giallo) and I've asked him if I can take it for a drive as a comparison to see if my memory is failing me.Unfortunately he's just winterised it. So it looks like thinga are postponed till next year.

    I was so deflated after drigin the 550, having wanted one for so long it just wasn't what I expected and I really need to drive another just condirm if it was me or the car that was the issue.

    I had laser eye surgery this week, so I'm going missing for a couple of weeks until I can see again (this message typed by my able assitant).
     
  20. Laserguru

    Laserguru Formula 3
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    Hope your recovery is prompt and complete!
     
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  21. Graz

    Graz Formula 3

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    I can attest that not all 550s are alike. My first one drove nothing like the one I currently own. It's clutch was much heavier and its performance paled when compared to the current car. The first one I owned had a Tubi exhaust and while it sounded impressive, it deterred from the performance of the car IMHO. Watch the "Harry's Garage" episode on Youtube highlighting the 550. He says the stock exhaust is more in tune with the induction of the engine and hence the car, while not as loud as an aftermarket exhaust, performs much better. I agree. Try another one. I think you'll ultimately be pleased.
     
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  22. 21ATS

    21ATS Formula Junior

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    Suprisingly, only 4 days later I've gone from Mr Magoo to being able to see enough to read a computer screen (with the ability expand the text). It is quite astonishing. Thank you for your wishes.

    This is kind of nice to hear. I was so deflated after driving the 550 last week, I started the process of wondering what else I would like instead and the reality is there isn't really anything I'd like other than a Maranello.

    So I'll persevere, but I'm open to either a 550 or 575 as long as the car drives right and I like the spec.

    I will be driving a 575 F1 early next year that has known extensive history and a very well sorted F1 box with all the Hill Engineering upgrades. That will be a good benchmark after last weeks drive. Still that;s why we test drive, if it's not right at least you find out before you make an expensive mistake.
     
  23. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Alan- There are no F1 parts from Hill Engineering unless you are counting the throw-out bearing.
     

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