2020 F40 Icona ...Its Coming, Get Excited!!!!

cars will still continue to be made in 2022 with carbon tubs within the EU

 

Who haven’t seen the car …Let’s wait a couple of days.


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He hasn’t come outright and said it but considering the clues Marcel has given us well ahead of anyone else, I don’t doubt he’s already seen the car or perhaps some accurate renderings.

BTW. I’m not saying the car is “retro.” I never said that. I said retro styling, which simply implies retro styling cues. Is the new Countach retro or retro styling?

 

If Ferrari does as well with the "Retro Style" as it did with the Monza SP1 and SP2, I am extremely confident about this Icona 2.

For me, the Monza's are truly beautiful and timeless.

 

As mentioned earlier I like 'Le Mans' for the new Icona2. Only one more character than some earlier suggestions noted. Also noted as a name initially chosen with the F40.

 

Very different !
but most people expect a design as smooth and pure as the Monza.

 

If I’m gonna be honest, it’s because it’s what i’d prefer, the inclusion of the strakes at the rear worry me

 

That was quite amusing.

 

Too close as the P540 Superfast Aperta was already done back in 2009. Also later in 2011 there was another one off Superamerica 45. These names better suit a single car, not a series.
The name should be brief and evocative; carrying historic significance just as the first Icona series name 'MONZA' does.

 

I expect a more aggressive and aerodynamic styling direction than the Monza SP1 and SP2, but I hope it will retain some "elegance".

 

Does this info come from Ferrari? I thought it was supposed to be based on LaF Aperta. If it doesn't contain the carbon tub, then how it can be based on Aperta? However, it is the body that they must redesign and it would make sense to make that from aluminium instead of carbon.

 

No- this will absolutely have a carbon tub.

 

Lets wait and see. Best to put as many expectations on the side and this way you are as open to what comes as possible. Though, I am expecting to be fascinated and enthralled.

 

I doubt they bother to do a brand new chassis for a icona. The Monza was a chopped off 812. The obvious solution for this one would be reusing LaFerrari´s, or chopping off a SF90.

 

Surprised that not a single image has leaked yet!


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Not from Ferrari, just my speculation as to why the car could be heavier than expected (due to removal of hybrid system). If it is a carbon tub, must be a lot of frame strengthening for new EU regulations, and, of course it will include GPFs and their extra weight, but likely lack mufflers. And, as compared to the LaFA, it will quite likely have the heavier 8 speed transmission...it all adds up

 

Would any brave soul on this forum like to change that?

 

Ok. Why do you expect that Aperta carbon tub needs strenghtening? I would assume that carbon tub in general provides better crash protection than non-carbon structures.

 

many reasons, LaFA did not have such rules to comply with during its manufacturing...here are some reasons to consider:

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/adr-side-impact-performance-cars
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https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/lexus-models-killed-off-by-new-side-impact-regs-130771/
(above indicates)
Half of Lexus’ passenger car models will be discontinued in Australia due to the implementation of a new pole side impact design rule known as ADR 85
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The three discontinued Lexus model lines’ strong alignment to the US market may have also played a part. According to FCAI technical chief Ashley Sanders, North America has not adopted the pole test regulation which is aligned with the European ECE135 standard. As such, the models live on in the USA.

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https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/mitsubishi-may-axe-mirage-due-to-side-impact-standards

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must be pretty difficult to meet if Toyota(Lexus) and Mitsubishi are not going to implement
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https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/speed-limiters-eu-cars-safety-2022/

Improved pole side protection
Cars and vans will also have to improve pole side protection. This is the scenario during an NCAP safety test where a car is moved at speed side-on towards a concrete pole, with the impact being more or less in the middle of the car. It is an extremely severe test of vehicle crash-worthiness: making the regulations even stricter could prove challenging to vehicle manufacturers.

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Separately, Ferrari has indicated that the USA has changes to its impact regulations and Ferrari will also be needing to comply with those regulations:

https://corporate.ferrari.com/sites/ferrari15ipo/files/ferrari_-_annual_report_2019.pdf

from page 65:
Several new or amended FMVSSs have taken or will take effect during the next few years in certain instances under phase-in schedules that require only a portion of a manufacturer’s fleet to comply in the early years of the phase-in. These include an amendment to the side impact protection requirements that added several new tests and performance requirements (FMVSS No. 214), an amendment to roof crush resistance requirements (FMVSS No. 216), and a rule for ejection mitigation requirements (FMVSS No. 226). U.S. federal law also sets forth minimum sound requirements for hybrid and electric vehicles (FMVSS No. 141). Because of our status as SVM, Ferrari is required to be compliant at the end of the phase-in period.

 

At least in Ferrari Roma the new 8-speed gearbox was 6 kg lighter than the older 7-speed gearbox in Portofino. Also, given the removal of hybrid system in the new Icona there is much less torque transmitted via gearbox. Therefore the gearbox might be actually lighter than in LaF. Then again, it is probably taken from 812, so hard to tell.

 

You are correct.

However, I was anticipating that an 8 speed gearbox strong enough for 850PS would be heavier than the 7 speed and definitely heavier than what is used in the Roma...but, the new Icona may use the 7 speed gearbox from the 812C....if the new Icona has an 8 speed gearbox it will be first to be used with the V12.

 

It has a new 7 speed GB.
Headlights a bit similar to SP38.
Engine lid has two long openings.

Marcel Massini

 

Mr. Massini， do you like the design？

 

SP38 front and headlights look flawless IMO. A good start.

 

New 7 speed gearbox… Doesn’t ZF manufacture a 7 speed manual ?