FORMULA 1 STC SAUDI ARABIAN GRAND PRIX 2021 - Jeddah - RACE.. ▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS▄▀▄▀▄▀

The RB team just isn't showing the form they did earlier in the season. I'd be very happy if they can pull this off, come back next week, and take the title in a dominant fashion. If they both crashed out or neither finishes in the points, Max would still win the WDC based on his total number of wins this season compared to Lewis, but that wouldn't be very satisfying. Maybe a harsher FIA penalty would stop some of the on-track carnage. Cause a crash, disqualified from the race. Cause two, disqualified and lose all points for the season. Cause a third crash, you are out for the rest of the year...or maybe for an entire year that can stretch into the next season. A single car crash, such as Max's in Q3, is its own punishment.

 

69-bar brake force towards the end. In stark contrast to Helmut Marko’s post-race pronouncement about the braking-telemetry positively confirming the “consistency” of Max’s braking during the episode in question . . .

 

Brake check in the middle of a straight. Max is lucky to still be in the fight.

 

Cowardly, for obvious reasons.

Fortunately Max is a no nonsense guy and he won't be phased by all the BS about being too aggressive etc.
The guy is putting on a master class on and off the track.

Best driver on the grid. He'll take the WDC in spite of this.

 

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What are the points at given the Max 10 second penalty?

 

beat McLaren and I’m happy

 

LULU had plenty of time to go around. . every race is Penalty penalty penalty. Maybe max should get an air pressure penalty and a no mask during interview penalty too.

 

Same...no change.

 

Winners this season: Liberty Media and Netflix.

Losers this season: genuine Motorsports fans who thought they were watching Formula 1 and ended up with a cross section of professional wrestling and woke politics.

 

According to all the evidence, including what was presented in the recent ruling, Hamilton had PLENTY of time to recognize and process that Max was "slowing". This is beyond debate, and obvious from the in-car footage as well.

Hamilton decided to stay behind a "slowing" car ... instead of passing, on a wide-open straight ... with plenty of time to recognize and understand that the car in front was indeed "slowing".

After a LONG period of slowing ... with Hamilton staying behind, unwilling to pass ... Max hits the brakes briefly.

THIS is a "brake check" worthy of penalty?

Unbelievable.

 

Home-run post of the thread!

 

What's even more bs is the tiebreaker would be awarded on the "win" at Spa, which wasn't even a race...

 

Max knows that the Red Bull is a sitting duck right now, so like in boxing he only can clinch and see what happens.

I´m thinking that he showed his hand too early, now at the last race he´ll be under heavy scrutineering. If he had played clean, he would have gotten the same results but nobody would be too harsh if he rammed Hamilton at the last race.

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/russell-motorsport-has-a-lot-to-learn-from-unnecessary-jeddah-f1-danger/6854368/

Russell: "Motorsport has a lot to learn" from unnecessary Jeddah F1 danger
By: Filip Cleeren
Co-author: Luke Smith
Dec 5, 2021, 3:00 PM
Williams Formula 1 driver George Russell believes "motorsport has a lot to learn" from a chaotic Saudi Arabian Grand Prix and says its Jeddah's Corniche street circuit needs to be made safer.
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Russell was eliminated from Sunday's race, which was red-flagged twice, after being smacked from behind by the Haas of Nikita Mazepin on Lap 16, as the bunched-up field streamed through the first sector following a restart.

Russell was taking avoiding action for Red Bull's out of control Sergio Perez, who was spun round by Ferrari driver Charles Leclerc. The Briton just managed to slow down to avoid the Mexican, but behind him Mazepin was powerless to avoid hitting the back of the Williams through one of Jeddah's many blind sections.

While all drivers escaped without injuries, the type of accident was exactly what many drivers and observers were fearing due to the circuit's combination of extreme high speed, limited visibility and run-off areas.

According to Russell the incident was "pretty inevitable" and believes the track is not safe enough to race on.

"It seemed pretty inevitable, you go around a Turn 2 that's fairly wide and open - cars can go side by side - and then it really funnels in and goes pretty narrow pretty fast," he told Autosport right after his exit.

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The Medical car attends the crash of Nikita Mazepin, Haas VF-21, and Sergio Perez, Red Bull Racing RB16B

Photo by: Sam Bloxham / Motorsport Images

"I came around a blind corner, cars were everywhere, I slowed down and then got completely hit from behind.

"So, a lot to learn I think for motorsport this weekend, because it's an incredibly exhilarating and exciting track to drive but it's lacking a lot from a safety perspective and a racing perspective.

"And there are unnecessary incidents waiting to happen in all of these small kinks that are blind, which are not even corners in an F1 car, but they just offer unnecessary danger."

With Formula 1 due to revisit Jeddah in March next year, Russell hopes the organisers and the FIA will make the necessary changes to improve safety around the track.

He thinks a lot of "unnecessary risks" can be removed by straightening out some of the blind flat-out kinks.

"I think you live and learn from these experiences," he explained. "You can't blame anybody for trying to make an incredible racetrack and ultimately, that's what they achieved. But I think nobody foresaw what was about to happen with all of these blind corners.

"In my opinion, yeah, track changes are needed, you've got so many of these small kinks that are totally unnecessary.

"And that could all just be made into a straight line from Turn 2 to Turn 4 and just be straight from Turn 17 to 22. We've got five corners, which is a section which is totally easy flat out, even with the DRS.

"I don't know what the limitations are, that also needs to be looked at. And ideally, if that was made into a straight line the safety would drastically improve.

"I think they've got the resources to do it here, so it shouldn't be a limitation. Safety needs to come first.

"If you can improve the danger drastically with small changes, then it's a no brainer."

The collision between Russell and Mazepin happened after the race was red flagged a first time for a crash by the second Haas of Mick Schumacher on Lap 13.

The race was also interrupted by numerous Virtual Safety Car interventions to clear debris.

 

Max is putting on a master class off the track? You must be joking.

 

thanks. Meaningless penalty then. So at the end of the day we could have not watched all the previous races and just tuned into the last race.

like college basketball-just watch the last 2 minutes.

 

I've completely given up on college basketball and pretty much done with F1. The talent is lacking in both. I don't even remember the last F1 race I watched from start to finish...many many years ago. Last complete season was 2005. It's getting too hard to watch. The pro wrestling comparison is very accurate.

 

2.4 G brake check? No one ahead, no corners to navigate. He let himself get the best of himself and he brought home a penalty instead of a WDC.

 

Let's say i'm driving down a long straight. You're behind me (obviously hypothetical).

I start slowing ... i dunno ... maybe 100mph, 80 mph, 60 mph, 40 mph, etc ...
You stay RIGHT behind me, instead of passing on this long, wide-open straight. This is a RACE, remember. Maybe you know why i'm slowing, maybe you don't. But you deliberately stay behind me, slowing with me all the way ... certainly long enough to recognize and process that i'm slowing. For all you know, I'm experiencing a power or gearbox failure.
When i reduce my speed to maybe 20pmh, at the end, i hit the brakes HARD ... and you slam into my rear-end.

Is this a "brake-check" worthy of a penalty? You know my vote. And YES, we all know how the stewards vote!

(btw, F1 cars routinely experience 5G braking before cornering)

 

I think the rule should be: after a red flag, the succeeding start MUST be a rolling start. They got very lucky that the original race start was clean, but on a track like that, figuring that a further standing start would come off as clean would be wishful thinking. A rolling start after the red flag would undoubtedly have much reduced the chance for the chaos that resulted.

 

An obviously cowardly decision that doesn't change the grid, but continues to bring the sport into disrepute.

"Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car
first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the
first to cross the DRS."

lying Toto: "we either weren't told to overtake or we didn't tell LH to overtake"
MB knew LH screwed up and told the FIA a bunch of nonsense as per usual.

He's a driver. Not a portmanteau for all kinds of fake BS.

 

Red Bull will not appeal, why would they when the penalty had no affect on the results?

You can't brake check another driver, but Lewis absolutely put himself in the position that was completely unnecessary and he did it by choice. This puts blame to both drivers, but you still can't brake check.

The penalty is just there to show that someone was at fault, as I guess there is evidence that Max did in fact slam on his brakes for a moment. Its honestly a bad decision by Max as he surely knew Lewis would likely hit him, and when it comes to front wing vs rear wing/diffuser, the rear of the car will almost always lose so if he thought that would DNF Hamilton, that was a poor calculation.

Its another fail by the FIA/Stewards, as it goes in the bin of inconsistent and questionable penalties. For example:

5 seconds to Verstappen for passing off the track, in which he attempted to allow Lewis to go by but got hit, and then still let him go by twice more.

0 penalties for Stroll who cut the track and gained a position on the first lap

0 penalties when Verstappen ran Hamilton off the road in Brazil

5 second penalty x 2 for Tsunoda for grazing the white line on pit entry in Austria

0 penalties for Norris for completely botching pit entry at Sochi

10 second penalty for Hamilton causing a collision at 170 mph and destroyed Max's car and forced an engine change.

 

Why wont' he go around? I better slow some more, or I'll lose the DRS chance....

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