Max Verstappen

You don't think Verstaspen could have caused serious injury landing on top of Hamilton's head? Verstappen has earned his reputation, many F1 drivers agree, and I have'nt heard any agree with your view.

 

Haha nice try.

 

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The flip side to that coin can be retorted "You don't think Lewis could have caused serious injury to Max sending him into the barriers at Copse at a 51g impact?"

Max did go to the med clinic to get checked out.

.......but I digress.

 

You can cause serious injury with any contact. My issue was with the poster stating only one incident this season was wreckless enough to cause injury. Untrue.

 

Well, Lewis did show up to some $35,000 USD a ticket "fashion gala" the next day(???) and the table at this gala was in the 6 figures.

Lewis was fine.

 

Yes Max was fine as well, again just correcting the poster.

 

Just for Max & his fanboys!
Formula 1 race director Michael Masi has reminded teams and drivers that any unsporting conduct at the Abu Dhabi season finale could result in a championship points deduction. So it has already been stated what will happen if Max pulls more over the line B.S.! I think the petulant child Max will still do it & then lose the WDC by points deduction....... And the Max fanboys will post non-stop about conspiracy crap over and over again.

 

Some drivers get their elbows out when their car is lacking pace. Max is one of those.

 

What "over-the-line BS" has Max done???

 

Will this also apply to Skittles Bottas ?
He proved very useful in Hungary

 

I've been fortunate enough to see all the drivers you mention in action (yes, i'm old!). And they all had a personality, a reputation. They were divisive, and people still hold strong opinions towards them. Their different reputations were justified, and it made them interesting, regardless of which camp you stood in. And officiating in F1 has always been questioned. That holds true today - Max and Lewis. The fact that this forum talks so much about them, and with such passion, and sometimes immaturity, tells you the two of them have earned a place in F1 infamy! I would argue both Lewis and Max deserve their reputations, good with the bad, and they each have earned them since their entry into F1. They reap what they sow. They both complain, but they both lack enough self-awareness (or their egos get in the way) to understand why they are treated the way they are, by their peers, the race stewards, and the fans. We can't change them, they can only change themselves. Look at James Hunt for example - talk about a roller coaster ride! Only before death had he really started normalizing his life.

 

I don’t think either is really that bad. Yes, Max IS aggressive…there is no denying he will go to the edge and over to protect a lead or make a pass. He drives as if he has the ‘right to win’. There is another driver who was very similar in demeanor (though he was a maestro of car control imo). I think Leclerc called it properly: different drivers, Lewis is speed and strategy, Max is hard driving and aggressive.

The reason they have their reputations is the advent of social media and our hyper-polarized society. I don’t buy into vilifying either guy as they are just trying to win races and a championship. There is no evil undercurrent of attempted murder or ‘fashion designs that mesmerize stewards and officials to treat one driver better than the other’.

It takes a different mentality to be a champion, and what we are seeing are two guys who go at it differently and operating at the top of their games, I look at the gaps from second place to third and that tells me everything

 

Listening to Christian Horner during a BBC interview after Abu Dhabi makes me think a lot of what we're seeing from Max -- the willingness, almost desperation, to preserve any lead and to gain any small advantage possible -- is him responding to the visible advantage Mercedes has had over the past half dozen (or so) races. Horner himself said words to the effect of "people don't realize just how well Max is driving. Ours hasn't been the best car."

I think Max' pushing is a reflection of Red Bull trying everything they can to win this title with a car that just isn't as good as their rival's at the moment. They've watched their title lead be slowly eroded, and are clawing, fighting desperately to hold on and win.

 

I certainly don’t need “correcting”. Are you the official arbiter of all that is correct on Fchat? Arrogant much? Again read what I wrote, the gravel trap incident was not that dangerous. It looked spectacular, but Hamilton was not in danger. You’re making my point about all the hyperbolic reactions to Max’s driving. Watch the accidents from the 60’s and 70’s, those were dangerous and scary, Grosean was life threatening and scary. Lewis getting a scuff on the paint job of his helmet is hardly dangerous or life threatening.

 

You do need correcting. And I will correct you on this matter. Any accident involving the head and neck area can be serious. Monza could have been worse. So you are incorrect on Silverstone being the only incident that could cause serious injury. If it was Hamiltons tire on Verstappens head, you would say it was serious.

 

F1's history in a concise synopsis of driver style and intent. Well said.

Who knows what we will see this weekend LOL

 

I think Max just wants to win. He's a pretty straightforward driver. In the last race, the decision to shod him with medium tires was more responsible for the performance delta than Merc dominance. The set-ups were different with RBR dominating sector 1 and Merc dominating sector 3.

They knew going into the final 5 races that Merc would have the advantage in the last 3. They needed to win Mexico and Brazil to lock it all away. Merc gambled with an engine change that paid off in Brazil and now it's all to play for in the final race. Had Max won Brazil, he'd be up 14 pts (he gains 7 for first and Hamilton loses 7...maybe 13 for fastest lap to Hamilton). All he'd need to do is finish in second.

 

Max is a dirty driver , call it youth , exuberance, immaturity or any other adjective , he drives dirty and time will tell if that will change .
In any other series , brake checking will draw a black flag and disqualification from the race and possibly of future races .
Now that is obviously not going to happen in F1 because they want a show and the championship going to the wire is very good for ratings .
So for anyone complaining that MB owns the FIA and gets preferential treatment, the penalty that Max received was totally insignificant and only now , after the fact is the FIA threatening to take away points . Who is favouring who ?

 

Don’t be worried, in the end Mercedes will win both titles.

 

i am not worried , it would be nice to have another world champion , It would also be nice not to have to listen to Max whine about how unfairly he is being treated considering he is the instigator in almost every incident that involves anyone passing him or vice versa . He is talented enough not to have to resort to cheap racing tricks

 

well, I've been following F-1 since the late '60s... so I'm not a new fan.

All the current guys are wreckless vs. aggressive. The folks you noted - Hunt, Andretti, Piquet, Mansell etc... were not Aggressive as its used to describe today's generation. back then - Aggressive meant you were flat out in anything with wheels. you gave it you're all.

Senna is the one who started contact with people to push them off track.... and he got away with it, so that became the new normal.

I think Hamilton and Verstappen are no angels, and they have both been doing "dirty" stuff... this is the new normal, and I for one hate it. either you can race clean or you cant race. Period. I'm accused of being a gentleman driver at my club... and its correct. there is too little courtesy and respect. hitting your opponent is not driving aggressively.. its driving dangerously. huge difference.

I'm now of the opinion that the World Championship after 1993 is of little merit - because there is so much poor sportsmanship and driving. prior to 1993 - people treated driving with respect. today its just rental karts.

 

What a blow hard....DRAMA!

 

FIA has announced that they expect a clean race this weekend. And that they have the power "to deduct points when needed" (as what happened to Schumacher in 1997).

Looking at the general trend in FIA penalties this season, it must be clear from whom they intend to deduct points when needed..... Overtaking Lewis is a serious misdemeanor that must not be taken lightly!

 

Connelly's got it in for Max.