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Masi finally makes the correct call. Piss-off Toto.

 

Yeah, by recanting (and breaking) a stated rule to only let the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen unlap themselves, while ending the safety car at the same time.

That ending was heavily influenced by the FIA.

 

Are you speaking of the race today or other races (this season and before)?

 

This last race decision.

 

Not a fan of how this all went down. Lewis deserved to win amd this is coming from someone cheering for Max all season.

 

No he doesn’t.

 

That’s exactly what I’ve said as well. Mercedes could have pitted and did not.

 

You can't really argue this part of the post. Twice they had to play it safe and didn't pit.

 

They couldn't pit. Had they pitted Max would not and would have had track position. Then if the safety car ran to the end, or if the lapped cars between the two were not instructed to pass as the safety car ended, Max would have won.

Dammed if they did and damned if they didn't.

Not unhappy with VER as WC, but a really unsatisfactory race and a really unsatisfactory season. The whole sport needs to take a look at itself.

 

Yes - they could pit. They chose not to which is what Flavio said. They chose not to because of what you said and Max would have track position.

The second part is what really bothers me about the call. If Mercedes really thought it would go to the end because of the rules they know it would make sense. Changing the rules or adjusting on the fly really screws that up.

On a side not if Lewis jumped in do you think Max would stay our for track position? Would the same restart happen and we would have the forum burning down about HOW LUCKY HAMILTON IS?

 

- It's called a motor race.
- Sorry?
- English. Do you speak it.
- Mykll, no Mykll nooooo.

This is going down in history. Toto's a clown.

 

That's funny and accurate.

 

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Definitely bad luck for HAM on how it all went down but Masi did the right thing to end the race by having a race. But what of the bad luck incurred by Max at the hands of HAM at the British GP—he’s out with a lost engine and HAM gets a meaningless penalty—or getting taken out by HAM’s teammate at Hungary with no recourse.

If not for those two incidents this championship (and the constructors!) would have been done and dusted two or three races ago, and not in the last lap of the last race.

And Alonso’s radio message posted in the race thread really exposes how cynical other racers are about the non-decisions against HAM and Merc. That was very telling.

 

Utter Nonsense

 

They were racing since the first lap dummy. They would have raced the last lap too because Max was on softs dummy. But you chose decide the 2021 championship anyway, dummy.

 

exactly

they could have restarted the race and max would have worked his way past the lapped cars and fair is fair. Instead they allowed only the cars in front of max to get out of the way so he’d be in perfect position to strike. So lame.

 

Had there been one more lap- no controversy- all would have been unlapped. Max still would have won. One less it ends under yellow, which nobody really wanted- same argument for deducting points if Max took Lewis out- let them race. MB dropped the ball on tires. Max outraced Lewis when it counted on the last lap, plain and simple. RB provided him with fresh tires when he needed.

Lewis had the faster car. He got beat because MB made incorrect strategy calls.

Doesn't matter what we think, it is up to the stewards to decide. Here's what they decided:




Protest filed by Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team against the Classification established at the end of the Competition Stewards Decision:

The Protest is dismissed.

Procedure:

1. On December 12 the parties were summoned at 2015 hrs (Documents 54 and 55) and heard. The following persons were present during the hearing:

On behalf of Mercedes:
‐ Ron Meadows
‐ Andrew Shovlin
‐ Paul Harris (Team Legal Counsel)

On behalf of Red Bull:
‐ Jonathan Wheatley
‐ Christian Horner
‐ Adrian Newey

Red Bull, as an “interested party” was permitted to attend.

The hearing adjourned at 2050hrs to allow Red Bull to consider its response in further detail and reconvened at 2130hrs. The Race Director was present for the reconvened hearing.

2. At the hearing there were no objections against the composition of the Stewards panel. The parties set out oral arguments and addressed the questions asked by the Stewards.

3. At the hearing the parties referred to the documents submitted. Red Bull submitted graphical information (Exhibit A).

The claims of Mercedes:

Mercedes claimed that there were two breaches of the Sporting Regulations (Article 48.12) namely that which states “..any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car” and “…once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.”

Mercedes argued that had this been complied with, Car 44 would have won the race. They therefore requested the Stewards to amend the Classification under Article 11.9.3.h of the FIA International Sporting Code.

Red Bull’s arguments in defence:

Red Bull argued that

1. “Any” does not mean “all”.

2. The Article 48.13 of the Sporting Regulations states that the message “Safety Car in this lap” is the signal that it will enter the pit lane at the end of that lap.

3. That therefore Article 48.13 “overrides” Article 48.12.

4. That Article 15.3 gives the Race Director “overriding authority” over “the use of the safety car”.

5. That even if all cars that had been lapped (8 in total, of which 5 were allowed to overtake the safety car) it would not have changed the outcome of the race.

Race Director’s Evidence

The Race Director stated that the purpose of Article 48.12 was to remove those lapped cars that
would “interfere” in the racing between the leaders and that in his view Article 48.13 was the one
that applied in this case.

The Race Director also stated that it had long been agreed by all the Teams that where possible
it was highly desirable for the race to end in a “green” condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car).

Conclusions of the Stewards:

The Stewards consider that the protest is admissible.

Having considered the various statements made by the parties the Stewards determine the following:

That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.

That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message “Safety Car in this lap” has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end of that lap.

That notwithstanding Mercedes’ request that the Stewards remediate the matter by amending the classification to reflect the positions at the end of the penultimate lap, this is a step that the Stewards believe is effectively shortening the race retrospectively, and hence not appropriate.

Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed. The Protest Deposit is not refunded.

Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.

 

So, focusing on the title of this thread, I have to agree; I cheered out loud when they played the conversation. Masi was having none of Toto's bawling, and one could certainly tell that Masi's patience was far spent at that point. While I don't agree with some of the FIAs choices this season, Masi showed great courage under pressure and got this one right. It would have been SIGNIFICANTLY more unsettling for the F1 fanbase (with the exception of Hamilton loyalists) had the race for the world championship ended under a safety car, especially where the score was tied because of the FIA's previous decisions.

It seems this was in imperfect decision in an impossible situation, but if one looks at the entire season, Max should have been far ahead in the points by the time we got to this race. Overall, justice was served, albeit rough justice.

 

If Lewis had pitted and Max stayed out, there is zero chance that Lewis would have won. Perez showed Lewis how it's done and Max is twice the driver that Perez is.

 

That's where you are completely wrong; Mercedes absolutely made the correct strategy calls both times. Red Bull would always have done the opposite, and that would be the correct call for them.

This was a race decided by the Race Director cracking under pressure and mis-applying the rules, and by the slowest driver on the track of course!