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  1. monza75

    monza75 Formula 3

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    Fkn brilliant!
     
  2. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    All the Monday quarterbacks having a pointless say in the F1 section :p
     
  3. IanB

    IanB F1 World Champ
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    Whom cares, today is a beautiful day, the best driver won the WDC :) :) :)
     
  4. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Don't tell psw. He'll cry.

    Sig www.pless.com.au/mechanics.htm
     
  5. psw

    psw Formula 3

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    I'm not going to bite Pete, at least you recognised Lewis & his Dad's 'good sports' by their quick actions in congratulating Max & Jos, I assume.

    Max is a super, super talented driver as I've said before, he'll win more driver's championships if he has the equipment, congrats to him & RB, I simply wanted Lewis to win, no sour grapes on my part.
     
  6. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes I did. I don't know what you mean by "at least" though.

    You seem to take criticism by me of you or Lewis very personally. It's not. Deal with it.

    Sig www.pless.com.au/mechanics.htm
     
  7. psw

    psw Formula 3

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    Probably because I don't remember any time you've ever said anything positive about Lewis :p :rolleyes:

    I wonder how thick your skin is if I started criticising you, will you take any of it personally :p that said, that's not my MO...
     
  8. Horse

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    Just tell him you sold your Tesla because electric cars are useless, that will get him going....
     
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  9. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Stop being such a baby.
     
  10. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Contradict yourself much?
     
  11. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Protest filed by Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team against the Classification established at the end of the Competition Stewards Decision:

    The Protest is dismissed.

    Procedure:

    1. On December 12 the parties were summoned at 2015 hrs (Documents 54 and 55) and heard. The following persons were present during the hearing:

    On behalf of Mercedes:
    ‐ Ron Meadows
    ‐ Andrew Shovlin
    ‐ Paul Harris (Team Legal Counsel)

    On behalf of Red Bull:
    ‐ Jonathan Wheatley
    ‐ Christian Horner
    ‐ Adrian Newey

    Red Bull, as an “interested party” was permitted to attend.

    The hearing adjourned at 2050hrs to allow Red Bull to consider its response in further detail and reconvened at 2130hrs. The Race Director was present for the reconvened hearing.

    2. At the hearing there were no objections against the composition of the Stewards panel. The parties set out oral arguments and addressed the questions asked by the Stewards.

    3. At the hearing the parties referred to the documents submitted. Red Bull submitted graphical information (Exhibit A).

    The claims of Mercedes:

    Mercedes claimed that there were two breaches of the Sporting Regulations (Article 48.12) namely that which states “..any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car” and “…once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.”

    Mercedes argued that had this been complied with, Car 44 would have won the race. They therefore requested the Stewards to amend the Classification under Article 11.9.3.h of the FIA International Sporting Code.

    Red Bull’s arguments in defence:

    Red Bull argued that

    1. “Any” does not mean “all”.

    2. The Article 48.13 of the Sporting Regulations states that the message “Safety Car in this lap” is the signal that it will enter the pit lane at the end of that lap.

    3. That therefore Article 48.13 “overrides” Article 48.12.

    4. That Article 15.3 gives the Race Director “overriding authority” over “the use of the safety car”.

    5. That even if all cars that had been lapped (8 in total, of which 5 were allowed to overtake the safety car) it would not have changed the outcome of the race.

    Race Director’s Evidence

    The Race Director stated that the purpose of Article 48.12 was to remove those lapped cars that
    would “interfere” in the racing between the leaders and that in his view Article 48.13 was the one
    that applied in this case.

    The Race Director also stated that it had long been agreed by all the Teams that where possible
    it was highly desirable for the race to end in a “green” condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car).

    Conclusions of the Stewards:

    The Stewards consider that the protest is admissible.

    Having considered the various statements made by the parties the Stewards determine the following:

    That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.

    That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message “Safety Car in this lap” has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end of that lap.

    That notwithstanding Mercedes’ request that the Stewards remediate the matter by amending the classification to reflect the positions at the end of the penultimate lap, this is a step that the Stewards believe is effectively shortening the race retrospectively, and hence not appropriate.

    Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed. The Protest Deposit is not refunded.

    Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.

    Sig www.pless.com.au/mechanics.htm
     
  12. psw

    psw Formula 3

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    Oh Pete, pleeease :rolleyes:
     
  13. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes....you should be embarrassed!

    Never mind. I'm ok with your blinkered views.....but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you.
     
  14. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Why didn't any of the attendees have a gun ?

    Asking for my American friends :p
     
  15. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Does anyone think that was fair dinkum but? I reckon he just saw the heat Max copped for not congratulating Lewis and not celebrating on the podium last week when Lewis won that race and he didn't want to be "that guy" that copped crap last night because of it.

    Deep down I am sure Hamilton didn't want to go anywhere near Max after the race and the lovely 5 minute hug/ear bashing his Dad gave Lewis is probably when he told him to be a good boy and go over and congratulate Max and Jos so he didn't look like an ******* for having a record 8th WDC 'stolen' from him on the last lap.
     
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  16. Aircon

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  17. psw

    psw Formula 3

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    Hey Pap, I know you & most here don't like Lewis, but I like to see the good in people when I can & not hold negative stuff all the time, I'm happy for you to have that opinion, but I personally think it was genuine & to me the bottom line is, his Dad & he made the fair gesture.

    I've lost races when I thought I was hardly done by, but I'm always going to congratulate the winners, I've had competitors do the same to me when roles are reversed, imo you're a bigger person for doing it, whatever the motivation :)
     
  18. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm glad Lewis did that. It's the first time he didn't come across as completely disingenuous.
     
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  19. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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  20. Aircon

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  21. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    You've LOST some races ???!!!!

    Who are you again ? :p

    I'm a positive person too, I only want to know winners :D
     
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  22. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm warming to Sainz although he seems too happy for a third position ..... he'll end up like psw and congratulating the winners ....... **** the winners, bastards :p
     
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  23. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    BLM
     
  24. Aircon

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  25. Horse

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    Is that you?
     

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