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355 1997 Ferrari 355 spider 5.2 - Central Locking Issues.

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  1. 355OXO

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    I have a problem with my central locking system. When you open the car was the remote fob the door lock pins hop up and down as opposed opening the car. I have replaced both the central locking motors in each door already. I have cleaned all the connections for the switches. I can lock the car but I cannot open the car with the fob, as they always hop when you try to open the car..

    I was wondering if the door catch would affect the central locking system as I recently had to tighten the driver’s side door catch as it had come loose.

    Is it potentially a faulty central control box?

    Any ideas or suggestions appreciated.
     
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    #2 Qavion, Dec 14, 2021
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    Weird. Usually it's the other way around... The lock pins won't stay down. This can happen when the doorlatch isn't latched closed properly and the locking actuators are physically prevented from going to full extension. I don't know why they wouldn't go to full retraction.

    Do you have to use the key to unlock the car?

    Can you unlock the doors with the console switches?
    Can you unlock the doors with the fob with the switches disconnected?

    Have you tried loosening the door catch?

    Second hand door ECUs are not so expensive. They also contain simple, easily replaced components (although the unit itself is tricky to find and remove). You have to remove the footwell relay panel.
     
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    Qavion,

    Thank you for the input, if I use the console switches to unlock the door I still get the same hopping problem. I have removed the switches and I still cannot unlock the doors and the hopping problem persists. I have not been able to loosen the drivers door catch as the door is not currently and I cannot access the door catch. I will have a look at the ECU in the foot well, as I have not checked that yet.
     
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    Qavion,

    Funnily enough, I can open the passenger door by holding up the the central locking button on the door. This will not work on the drivers door and the drivers catch was the one that I adjusted.

    My car is right hand drive.
     
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    Do you mean you are holding up the button as you are pressing the fob or console switch? i.e. fighting the actuator wanting to relock the door.

    I really don't know what is normal in this abnormal situation.

    When you use the key in the lock to lock and unlock the doors, do you get different behaviour between the passenger and driver's sides?
     
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    Central locking Issue Summary.
    Central locking hops constantly on closure or opening via the remote key fob.
    I can manually hold down the door buttons when they are hopping into the locked position.
    I can't manually hold open the door buttons when they are hopping.
    If I manually lift the door buttons I can open the passenger door but I cannot open the driver's door.
    Once the passenger door is open it will still keep hopping as before unless I pushed the buttons down to the locked position.
    I get no different behaviour in the passenger and driver's door lock
    I have not checked the ECU yet, I think I have a spare somewhere.
     
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    Were they from a Ferrari dealer or aftermarket? I was experimenting with an aftermarket actuator and found that the throw was slightly different (as was the internal electrical switch trigger point).
     
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    OEM Ferrari. They had previously worked well.
     
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    Any update on this problem, Simon?
     
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    Waiting for parts currently.
     
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    Typical, I have tried to order the Ferrari 355 Central Locking Module (ECU). I have been told that this is no longer available from Ferrari. Currently they are doing a worldwide part search to see if they can find one in stock.
    I wonder whether you can repair these units or is the only choice to source a second-hand used ECU. I don't know whether it's me but whenever I start a job on the 355 it always seems to get complicated.

    Any bright ideas?
     
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    I would open the unit and look for faults. I've opened mine and found the components are very basic. No impossible-to-find integrated circuits. Resistors, capacitors, 3 pin transistors and a couple of small relays. Check for dry solder joints.

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    I started mapping out the circuit board, but I can't remember if I completed it.

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    Second hand ones were quite cheap last time I looked, but if the Ferrari wreckers find out that new ones are hard to find, that won't last long.

    Did you find the module on your car?
     
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    I found a dry joint and soldered it and it is working now, it was pretty basic inside. I still have a problem with locks hoping, I think that this is related to the
    Drivers door catch that has moved which is causing the lock to stay closed on the catch. I have read a thread about this on F Chat that explains that if the door striker is in the wrong position when the door is closed it will cause the central locking to hop.
    The challenge is I cannot open the driver's door with the internal or external opening mechanism, somehow I need to change the door position to relieve the pressure off the striker that locks the car.
    Not had this problem before usually they become loose over time. Perhaps the solution is to drive round for a few hundred miles until it come loose which they normally do!
     
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    thanks appreciated
     
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    I have fixed the central locking module but i can not get the drivers door claw lock to open that connects to the door post connection on the drivers side. I can open passenger side but the locks are still hoping, even with the passenger door open.

    Remote wont open doors only causes hopping lockes
    Key wont work
    Door opener will not work
    Removed fuse still no luck
    Manually held central locking open, wont open.

    I think it an alignment problem between the door claw lock and the door post connection.

    Any idea appreciated.
     
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    Sounds like you'll have to get access to the door latch/lock mechanism and see if there is something jamming it (especially if the key is not working). When you say the key isn't working, does it feel like it is attached to nothing or is jammed? The link between the lock barrel and the lock/latch assembly sometimes breaks. Perhaps this is jamming something.

    This is a shot of a 348, but the operation is similar. You can see the white plastic/metal link

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    The lock actuator also has an internal microswitch which may be faulty. If the actuator solenoid moves the piston but the internal switch doesn't register a change of state, the doors lock actuator will be commanded to its original position. Sorry, no pics available of the internals. By lock actuator, I mean this thing:

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    They are relatively cheap, but you'll have to pull the door card off to get full access. You'll also have to buy things like new plastic door clips (available at Ricambi) and trim removal tools.

    You may be able to access some components by (only) removing the door scoop. Comments from folks with more practical experience welcome ;)
     
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    The problem as you cant remove door card, door opener or scoop with the door closed without damaging door card or scoop. The actuator is new.

    I do appreciate the help, when you have a problem, thanks.
     
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    I guess the only way is to get one of those inflating bags to "gently" force a gap between the window and the door and go fishing with bits of wire (or a boroscope) to see if anything doesn't look right.



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