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Mercedes withdraws appeal

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  1. SS454

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    Technically no, but still a criminal.

    I assume you could find old messages of how the FIA cheated Red Bull and rigged the season for Lewis with the rear wing, the pitstop procedure change, Silverstone slap on the wrist, the Monza penalty, Jeddah's grid penalty, the Saudi Arabia penalty, Bottas illegally holding up Max behind the SC, Lewis' unfair advantage for cutting the track in Abu Dhabi, etc etc etc.

    Just because Max won the race and championship, it doesn't absolve those incidents, so you would expect them to still be held accountable?
     
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  2. BillyD

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    My .02:
    Happy to see anyone win other than Hamilton/Mercedes again.
     
  3. ktu

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    Both have benefitted from inconsistences. The SC was the only thing consistent. Until Masi tampered with the rules.
     
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  4. ginoBBi512

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    The fans got to see what was deserved, a race that did not finish under a yellow, and the best man won, and Merc doesnt like it, but if it was the other way around, CH would have accepted it, not like that punk wolf, hes a f n crybaby. If anyone was helped by the stewards this year , it was Louis. Im happy Louis was graceful in his defeat, Im not a big fan, but credit were credit is due , LH and MV have shown that F1 leaves a lot to be desired, the rest of the grid got their asses kicked so bad, all through the year, and were no competition whatsoever . The cars are to complicated , so are the rules, something needs to change when 1 or 2 teams dominate for so many years. I like the V10 era, but with that being said, MS was winning so much, it got boring as well, no one on the grid ever came close to him other than Alonso, Mika H . Lets go back to the real F1, which is open class , who really does have the right " Formula " isnt that what its all about ?

    Thank you
     
  5. rosemeyer

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    Best Regards,
    Paul
     
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  6. absostone

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    Lulu is FOS, I'll guess toto told him not to worry at just before the podium. and there was a big mistake they would appeal. Other than his Knighthood Sir crap hes not been seen, nor did he attend the Gayla, if he was so graceful and sincere why didnt he go. That guy has some serious mental issues with his ego. As far as MS goes his wins never got boring to me, those cars had style were tiny and slightly nervous. Mika is a legend
     
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  7. ktu

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    Is Masi at the Gayla?
     
  8. SS454

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    I agree that both benefited. It's hard not to believe the FIA manipulated the championship to be close right down to the last race, and to the last lap as it turns out. I think this is wrong and it puts "fair racing" into the extreme grey.
     
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  9. werewolf

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    Paul, I enjoy this discussion ... thank you, once again.

    Regarding "any" vs "all" ... i still maintain there's ambiguity, here (at best). Lawyers have long recognized such, and routinely incorporate the phrase "any and all" to remove any possible ambiguity.

    Regarding the use of "overriding" ... i maintain that the Race Director's authority is, and must, be "overriding" of more than just that of the race clerk. Quick decisions in the course of a race, that may not be accurately and thoroughly covered by the regs as written, may call for split-second interpretation ... particularly if there's any ambiguity involved, at all. Someone must have the authority here, and 15.3 gives it to the Race Director.

    Finally, regarding the "impact" of a last-lap decision versus a first-lap decision ... long-time fans of the sport will recognize that a bad decision early in the race, or season, ultimately has the same impact as bad decisions rendered late. Fans will not be "more forgiving" of bad decisions earlier (at Silverstone, or Abu Dhabi lap one, etc) because, well, Red Bull has "more time to recover". This attitude is WAY too forgiving of the officials (stewards as well as RD), and will do nothing but solidify inconsistency. EACH decision by the officials must be taken and made with the same level of seriousness, and impact, throughout the entire season, in my view.
     
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  10. Bas

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    How so?

    I'm sure you'll last a long time here with that attitude.
     
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  11. ben73

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    Those are sloppy seconds bro. I'm not into that.
    Is Max playing daddy these days to little Kvyat girl?
     
  12. Flavio_C

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    What's the problem?
     
  13. Bas

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    You married a virgin I'm sure?

    Are you 12? Max at 24, ridiculously rich, probably can walk into any room he likes and has the pick of the litter. He chooses to be with Kelly. From the video's I've seen he cares for the child she has with kvyat, too. And I've never heard anyone involved in that relationship make a bad comment about anything.
     
  14. Phil~

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    Mercedes was disqualified for a .2mm variance with its wing. How exactly is that rigged in favor of Mercedes?
     
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  15. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Nothing. Many need to move on.

    Max won and they are complaining about anything and everything. Max won. Move on. Close these ABSURD threads. F1 2022 matter now. This is over. World turns and doesnt care at all. The FIA can assess its self made mess and offer a solution. Maybe lol!
     
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  17. pilotoCS

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    What the hell are you talking about??
     
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  19. Bas

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    Mate. Get a grip ffs. I know you hate Red Bull/Max with every fibre of your being but to somehow say that Max/Red Bull fans are the ones complaining about stuff is reaching beyond the stars and then some. It's 100% the Lewis fans bitching and moaning and demanding Max's title to be removed, and the Max fans are calling ******** on it.

    Your own reputation on this forum is taking pretty big hits with insane statements like the above.
     
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  20. SS454

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    Because their car was illegal? It was one of the easiest decisions the Stewards had to make and it still took them around 24 hours to do it.
     
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  21. swift53

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    If you have ever raced a car, and there are people that run the race, i.e. stewards,
    or a regulatory body that has a book of rules, and now, with the magic of instant replay
    in...'fill in the blank' sport, to correct any wrong calling, and keep bad calls to a minimum.

    They are not omniscient nor omnipotent, or the wisest at their decision making, maybe yes, maybe no.
    That much has been clear since the early races that Judah Ben-Hur raced in against Messala.

    Even Judges of any Supreme Court have been known to make mistakes, even without instant replay, there, so be it.

    This time Max won and Lew lost. Tough tt's. So there.

    I think this thread is more about the lack of sportsmanship of not attending an event just because you do not like "The final decision",
    even though MB withdrew their appeal. Why did they, if they were so right? Throw a tantrum a la McEnroe?
    It is not about who is with whom, salt applications up noses, virgins or not, or Messr. Mosley in drag, or bank robbers.

    Over, finito, done. I think it is fairly clear, and so, please go flog another dead horse.

    LH, TW, and MB can snuggle up and cry together like the ninnies they are. Life is tough, innit?

    Let's start 2022 with a new outlook, and hopefully this 3rd world melodrama is over and that sportsmanship is just that, or at least ought to be.

    Cheer up, there will be another F1 year, or maybe, perish the thought, they will all revert to a soap box derby with batteries?

    Happy Holidays!
    Alberto
     
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  22. ricksb

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    Yes. I'm done. Great season marred by a shrinking violet. Congrats Max...on to 2022!
     
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  23. ben73

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    As easy as the 3-4 races that redbull were given to fix their wing. Did anyone ever figure out what those cheaters were doing with duct tape and millions of repairs before each race? Remind me again how many disqualifications they received for their shenanigans?
    But rules are rules for 0.2mm on one side of the wing since it's LH right? Same rules are rules for SC....ooops scratch that one
    Rules and precedent can be thrown out the window so we can fix the championship for Maxipad

    Masi: "There's a requirement in the sporting regulations to wave ALL the lapped cars past"

    Masi lap 56: Lapped cars WILL NOT be allowed to overtake
    Masi lap 57: All Lapped cars WILL BE allowed to overtake
    Masi lap 58: wait that is not going to work there is not enough time, ONLY 5 cars between LH and Max will be allowed to overtake. Bert get that POS out of the way we got one lap left.

    I tried everything to stop this 8th championship including disqualification in Brazil but this guy is a freak of nature. However, I think I got it covered with this last lap decision.

    MASI TURNED F1 INTO WWF
     
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    @ktu You do know that having a second account will get you a permanent ban, right?
     
  25. surfwolf

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    EXACTLY CORRECT!
     
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