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  1. Phil~

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    Please list which rules Mercedes broke, with any corroborating evidence.

    They literally got disqualified for a .2mm variance on a wing.
     
  2. crinoid

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    You can keep simp’ing too PHIL.
     
  3. Phil~

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    No, since you seemingly have nothing of value to add to the conversation, ill move on.
     
  4. crinoid

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    Move on phill. You certainly haven’t added a thing. You’re the same as KNT. There’s a whole list of **** Mercedes have been busted for and never held accountable. I haven kept a log of it however others here have and will chime in.
     
  5. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    No I don't think FIA planned for Max to win the WDC,there was no plan B or C ,they just wanted a clean fair race which they got until Messy Masi intervened causing massive controversy,going against the normal Sporting Regulations regularly followed,by cobbling together his half arsed finish.
     
  6. Flavio_C

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    Please, don't spread fake news. Masi NEVER declared that lapped cars would unlap themselves. He declared, as importantly needed to clear Latifi's car and guarantee the safety of marshalls and drivers, that lapped cars would not unlap themselves, for the time being. Then, when the track was clear, he allowed the lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen to unlap themselves.

    He did not change the rules. The rules say that race director has override authority under safety car:

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    And why Verstappen had new tires? Because Red Bull took the risk to pit under safety car and Mercedes decided to stay on track, simple as that.
     
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  7. ktu

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    Here is Masi previously stating all cars must unlap themselves.
    https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-contradicts-lapped-car-clarification/

    These words by Masi were used as a basis for all teams to strategize against all season. Until going off script and switching in the last seconds of the last race.
    He broke the rules. You can use the more fancier word "override". Knock yourself out. But he broke the rules. He had the power to break the rules, and he did.
    If you think Masi did nothing wrong why didn't he do this during regular season races?
     
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  8. JJ

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    Masi's comments in an interview are not "the rules". He was mistaken back then, or paraphrasing, or who knows? It wasn't a court proceeding and he wasn't under oath.

    As has been pointed out to you multiple times, the rule literally says "any" and not "all". When the rule was written, someone made an affirmative decision to not use the word "all". I know you want us to ignore the actual rule because of the flame you carry for LH, but that's dangerous thinking, man.
     
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  9. ingegnere

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    You’re poking at all the little things that are established procedures that every competitor knows (or should know) and that obviously you don’t understand and are influenced by Merc propaganda.

    The test for the DRS gap is a simple go/no-go test with a disc and a resistance measurement feature. The disc has to pass but register a minimum resistance. The resistance measurement allows a certain tolerance of the gap and teams should err on the side of the gap being maybe a little smaller than maximum so as to register the right resistance.

    The .2 mm or whatever BS was offered by Merc as an excuse is just that, BS. They conveniently forgot to mention that the disc went through with no resistance—so the allowed tolerance + the measured gap.

    And, of course, the excuse of the wing being damaged (by a butterfly perhaps?) is just obfuscation for being caught red-handed or maybe because their flexy wing flexed beyond its elastic limit.

    So, don’t believe everything you read especially if it comes from Merc’s PR machine.
     
  10. ktu

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    Here is where it says until messege has been sent to ALL competitors. Masi didn't send message to all. He broke the rule.
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  11. JJ

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    Now do Article 15.3, man.
     
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  12. ktu

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    Yeah he has the power to break the rules. He did.
     
  13. xpensivewino

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    This might be the most naive statement to date in the F1 forum! Lol
     
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  14. JJ

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    No, he has the "overriding authority" to alter the SC procedure. You may think it's unfair, but exercising his authority isn't breaking the rules, man.

    Your credibility as an F1 fan is gone.
     
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  15. crinoid

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    The trolls here have selective reading comprehension. Mercedes dropped the case because they didn’t have a snowballs chance in hell. Masi and the stewards are unanimous. Only this simp’s here are still crying.

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  16. Flavio_C

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    Listen to the radio during the safety car. Bono from Mercedes said right in the beggining that "Verstappen got a free pit stop" and "he will be right behind you when the lapped cars unlap themselves". This is the rule that the teams need to consider: during a safety car, there won't be lapped cars between the first and the second. This is exactly what happened.

    Masi, backed by the regulations, asked only the cars between Lewis and Verstappen to unlap themselves because there wouldn't be enough time for all the cars to do so. Again, what would it have changed? Nothing, because Max would be right behind Lewis ANYWAY!

    Again, it's like you said in another post, you will be crashing your head over and over again because you can't take facts.

    Also, how Lewis could be so naive to leave the door open to Max??? He had the faster engine, even though he was with old tires, he could at least have tried to defend.
     
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  17. Bas

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    The overriding authority rule seems to be pretty hard to get through hamfans skull.

    Little riddle for those fans: If Mercedes claims of ''we would very easily win this in court'' is true, why are they not taking this to court then? The reputation damage is already done so it can't be that.
     
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  18. ktu

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    Totally fine if you use the fancier word. He broke the rules.
     
  19. JJ

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  20. ktu

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    The correct procedure if no time remaining is to finish under the safety car. If he had made the decision at beginning of the safety car period Max would fall right behind. Lewis. Safety car would have enough time to carry out correct procedures. Clean win for Max. No controversy. But he didn't. With seconds remaining, he went off script against the rules previously upheld.
     
  21. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    "There is a requirement in the Sporting Regulations to wave ALL the lapped cars past " Messy Masi after Eifel Grand Prix 2020 (Motor Sport Week)
     
  22. ktu

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  23. Nortonious

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    If ham on worn tyres could defend like Checo on worn tyres, ham would be WDC. But rather than fault ham's driving and poor defence, his fans focus on an unfavorable rule application.
     
  24. JJ

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    Bingo.
     
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