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Mercedes withdraws appeal

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  1. JJ

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    Lying, paraphrasing, oversimplifying, or just plain wrong when talking to some reporter. Does it really matter? His actions were within the rules both times.
     
  2. Turkishguy33

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    Was very disappointed to see this. Mercedes had a very strong legal case but not surprised they withdrew. A panel appointed by the FIA was never going to give Lewis a fair hearing.

    The FIA had been lenient on Max all year but much harsher on Lewis. The Abu Dhabi farce was just the icing on the cake.

    But both max and Lewis are steaks ahead of the rest so he’s not an undeserving wdc by any means. Just disappointed Masi has turned the sport into a joke and makes up the rules. I really hope Lewis doesn’t retire because of the treatment he’s getting. Great racer.
     
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  3. Bas

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    eiffel 2020? SC went in at lap 50 when 10 more laps where remaining.

    If you bother to read what I say, The teams AND the FIA collectively agreed that it's in F1's best interest to finish under green. With 1 lap remaining the race director allowed certain cars through so that what the teams and FIA agreed upon was made possible. The race director took rule 15.3 which allows him to make such a decision and made the teams' wishes happen.

    If there was 1 more lap to go and all cars unlapped with ease, would you still react like this? As the end result would be the same, Mercedes played it too safe at the SC and lost their chance at WDC.
     
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  4. ben73

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    Nobody likes ending with SC but RULES and RULES. Don't forget 0.2mm
    If you don't want SC then red flag the race. Even if it was just for one lap it would have been better than that farce he and Horner came up with.
    The other option was to leave all cars in place. Why remove only the cars between MV and LH?
    It's interesting how nobody talks about how unfair it was toward Sainz on a Ferrari forum. But it seems the hate for LH supersedes everything else so who cares what Masi did as long as LH didn't win.

    Your one lap more argument is not even worth entertaining. It's like me saying what if there was one lap less. Try to stick to reality. The REALTY IS THAT MASI FIXED THE LAST RACE

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  5. ingegnere

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    LOL, funny post, not to say trolling.

    Repeating myself, but answer this:

    So, FIA conspired with Latifi to crash, creating the safety car situation precisely with 5 laps to go, knowing Max was second and so would pit for new tires but HAM second wouldn’t, yes?

    Because without the crash, HAM wins. What do you believe was the “decided before” plan without accident and safety car?

    About the .2 mm it’s obvious Merc’s PR machine did a great job convincing those who just can’t comprehend basic engineering that this was more (fake) conspiracy on the part of the FIA. Try to follow:

    The test for the DRS gap is a simple go/no-go test with a disc and a resistance measurement feature. The disc has to pass but register a minimum resistance. The resistance measurement allows a certain tolerance of the gap and teams should err on the side of the gap being maybe a little smaller than maximum so as to register the right resistance.

    The .2 mm or whatever BS was offered by Merc as an excuse is just that, BS. They conveniently forgot to mention that the disc went through with no resistance—so they were in the wrong by the allowed tolerance + the measured gap. Not just the .2 mentioned.


    And, of course, the excuse of the wing being damaged (by a butterfly perhaps?) is just obfuscation for being caught red-handed or maybe because their flexy wing flexed beyond its elastic limit.

    So, don’t believe everything you read especially if it comes from Merc’s PR machine.
     
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  6. ben73

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    Typical, when you can't admit that it was a stolen farce then bring in other factors to confuse. Did anyone ever bring up Latifi conspiracy?
    The opportunity to take away #8 presented itself so they took it.

    Don't believe from MB PR machine but believe RB PR machine or whatever PR is against MB/LH?
    Is that how it works? If you say so boss
     
  7. crinoid

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  8. ben73

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    Nice photo. Are you a photographer?
    I think you're confused and posting on the wrong website though. This is the F1 section.
     
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  9. 375+

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    And another newbie to Ignore. 'Tis the season!
     
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  10. crinoid

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    Keep simp’in kid.
     
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  11. ben73

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    Is that you Clint?
     
  12. ingegnere

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    First day of winter on Tuesday. Longest night of the year. Good night to curl up with a good book or maybe the F1 Sporting and Technical regulations.
     
  13. ben73

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    Perfect message for Masi. I'm glad we finally agree on something
     
  14. ingegnere

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    Took away his no. 8 after allowing him 7 and giving him all the chances possible to get the no. 8 short of finishing the race under yellow, huh? Ok.

    It wasn’t RB that told me how the DRS gap rules are enforced. There’s a rule book, you know. Needs someone to get their head out of the sand to read it, though.
     
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  15. ingegnere

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    … and… ignore!
     
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  16. Jack-the-lad

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    And..........poof!

    He’s now part of what I call the ignorati.......It’s a much more elegant label than “site pest” but not nearly as descriptive.;)
     
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  17. ben73

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    Applying the rule book equally is what we all want. The problem is that the rule book was not applied for multiple RB wing repairs duct tape and most importantly not for the decision to remove ONLY backmarkers between 1st and 2nd on the final lap of the championship. You should take that head out of the sand advice.

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  18. Bas

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    Red flag? For that?

    Rules is rules, you said it yourself. Doesn't matter if its 0.2 mm or 20mm, Mercedes breached the technical regulations. Where do you draw the line?


    The other written rule is 15.3.. I know it's hard to comprehend but masi really is given the power to override.

    Leaving all cars in place? So definitely hand the title to Lewis? Max still had to overtake him.

    What's your point being here? Are you a member that was banned here? You registered after the race and began attacking members from your very first post and haven't stopped. By definition of the rules (you appear to be a huge fan of the rules, though not very good at reading them), you are trolling.
     
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  19. ben73

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    Red flag for fairness. LH had to pass those cars as well with 40 lap old tires it shouldn't be a problem with new softs for Maxipad.
    Remove 11 sec, fresh rubber, and Masi intervention to remove only certain cars is OK in your book but leaving those cars and having Max to fight for it is unfair?
    That would have been gifting it to the guy that was already 11 seconds ahead with old tires. That is some real rational thinking you got there.

    Your definition of trolling is basically anyone that disagrees with your way of thinking. You're in good company though because there is a lot of you here that think the same way. Disagree with me = troll

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  20. Bas

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    The red flag of fairness. You already lost me.
    Enjoy lala land.
     
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    add cretin to newbie; reminds me of a certain past president: don't confuse me with the facts; I've already made up my mind.
     
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  22. FordGTDriver

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    Is it just me, or does it seem we’ve now debated this to the point that the intelligence has left the discussion and now it’s preposterous conspiracy theories and bombastic trolling from a newbie?

    2021 season: done. 2022 season, bring it on. So much to look forward to…like George Russell in a competitive car, and Ferrari getting a fresh start.

    Fantasy season: Charlie and George fighting it out for the WDC.
     
  23. intrepidcva11

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    the facts are that had Masi let the passed cars pass the safety car a lap earlier, then safety car in, there would still have been almost a full lap for Max to pass Lewis which, given how Toto and Mercedes had messed up their tire strategy and Max on fresh soft tires, Max would have passed Lewis with ease.
     
  24. intrepidcva11

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    .............from your lips to God's ears
     
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  25. ben73

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    I was giving you the red flag as a compromise. It was not a red flag situation but it would have been a good compromise for the maxipad fangirls.
    The right thing would have been to follow precedent and finish under SC. Not having enough laps should not matter or give excuses to make up new rules on the last lap.
    How many races end with oh if there was just one more lap or one less?
    The REALITY is that they didn't have enough laps and Masi would never have done what he did if the race had 60 laps. He would have unlapped all cars.

    Question for you: in some future race with the exact same circumstances but you have Max in 3rd, Sainz in 2nd and LH in first. Both have 5 lapped cars in between each driver. Max has to finish 2nd to win title but Masi decides to remove only between 1st and 2nd. Would you call that fair?

    Or if that is too much to follow just reverse what happened this year with LH and Max. Would you still say that LH won it correctly? See that is the difference between you and me. I would never defend that type of win. I would not want it reversed (taken away) but I would definitely never try to defend or justify it.

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