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Clause 15.3 and why Masi broke the rules

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  1. ktu

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    You should go into to hiding with Masi
     
  2. JJ

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    Are you threatening me?
     
  3. ktu

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    Lol, I don't even know you dude.
     
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    I disagree with almost all of your analysis. I don't need anything to prove I am right, now, even by your own words, "'based on the fundamental principles of safety and sporting fairness’". What the race director did was exactly done in a safe manner and in sporting fairness. That's it. End of discussion.
     
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  5. ktu

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    How is it fair to ignore the other teams who didn't race?
     
  6. Terra

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    Dream a little dream . . .
     
  7. ddrewesusa

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    Who? Force India? Manor? Marussia?

    Didn't all the teams that had cars that started the race, and still had cars that were mechanically able to race, race? No one pulled the other cars off the track and put Lewis and Max out there by themselves. No one gave a rats turd about Leclerc on the last race of the season, on the last lap, with a championship on the line, by the number 1 place car and the number 2 place car on the lap preceding the wreck by Latifi, for the two competitors that were racing for the trophy.

    To be clear, Lewis was in first place before the Latifi wreck. Max was in second place before the Latifi wreck. When the race was green lighted, Lewis was in first place and Max was in second place.

    In my opinion, any wreck in the last 3 laps of Gran Prix should be automatically red flagged and the order put as to their standing before the accident ON PIT LANE, no matter where you are on the race track. Once cars enter pit lane, they are moved into their garage and let out in standing order. No tire changes or work on the car allowed. That's my opinion.
     
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  8. PureEuroM3

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    We should rename this section the lewis hamilton section!
     
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    During this season, some teams did change tyres in the pit lane after a red flag, before the race was restarted.

    The issue was raised at the time, but it's apparently allowed in F1.
     
  10. william

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    The title of this thread is OK for me.

    The bone of contention here is how the rules were interpreted, not who won.
     
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    It is allowed to change tires under a red flag. That's why I said under a red flag within 3 laps of the final, no tires shall be changed. But you have the issue if someone rolls over carbon fiber due to the accident.
     
  12. Nuvolari

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    Given the nature of the accident and the location a safety car was the correct call. A virtual safety car would have been inappropriate given recent times and a red-flag would have been a questionable amount of over-caution that could be interpreted as stage managing the finish.

    Luckily the FIA removed all doubt by doing what they did :D
     
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  13. mcimino

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    Hamilton was never ordered to give up the lead...even when he cut the corner on the second lap. Max passed him after the race resumed because MB had a poor race strategy. With a one stop strategy, they weren't prepared for a safety car and left Lewis to hang out and dry with exhausted tires. Aint that a bit#h.
     
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  14. ktu

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    No. Mercedes lost because the SC rules were broken. Many races were won and lost by pitting or not pitting. No race in history was won or lost because certain teams were hand picked to unlap themselves.
     
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    Hamilton himself agrees with you ... and broadcast his concern, during the race.
     
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  16. ktu

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    You right all teams started the race. So why did Masi say he wanted to race? I agree with on the red flag. That was another option Masi had, instead he broke the rules.
     
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  17. ktu

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    Since you are in the mood to listen to drivers, Hamilton along with all other drivers expressed confusion and broadcast there concern after Masi decision.
     
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  18. werewolf

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    LOL

    I'm not "listening" to Hamilton :rolleyes: (he's always complaining about his team over the radio). The Mercedes tire strategy was poor ... everyone knew it, and nobody needed Sir Lewis the Great to tell them.

    It's just interesting, and a bit satisfying in these discussions ... even Hamilton himself recognizes that his team lost him the race.
     
  19. ktu

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    I see you are imitating Masi and handpicking certain words. After the decision Hamilton said this feels like it was manipulated. Meaning the SC rules was broken to benefit Max. This is not about tire strategy or pitting. I told you all not to try and divert back to pitting when you are wrong. It won't work with me. Masi breaking SC rules was the factor in this race.
     
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  20. werewolf

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    LMAO :D :D You and your hero Hamilton need to get your stories straight!

    During the race, Hamilton was obviously, seriously concerned about his team's pit/tire strategy ... wonder why? hmmmmm

    But please trust me ... we all know that logic, reason, reading comprehension, cause and effect discussions, etc etc "won't work with you" :D
     
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  21. ktu

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    I don't know if you are disregarding what I said on purpose but I will say again. I don't care what Hamilton said about pitting. I don't care if he cursed out Toto for not pitting. I don't care if he wore a tshirt with the word pit on it. Pitting was not the deciding factor in this race. The word pit should never be mention around me again. Masi breaking SC rules was the factor in this race, not pitting.
     
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    Are you saying that Hamilton was wrong? I'm shocked!

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  23. ktu

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    Yeah. He was wrong. Mercedes made the right call. Rules had to be broken for Max to gain advantage. No team can predict SC rules to be broken.
     
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    "You're wrong, man." is what Lewis would say to you.
     
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  25. werewolf

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    pit pit pit pit pit :D :D

    Are you really saying that pit strategy wasn't a deciding factor in the race?

    Your hero Hamilton obviously disagrees with you (as do most thinking people). Otherwise ... why would he criticize his team (again) over the radio, during the race, about their decision to leave him out?

    Oh, I'm sorry ... have i violated your personal space by saying a prohibited word?

    pit pit pit pit pit :D :D

    this is fun! Certainly not educational, in the least ... but pure entertainment :D

    gotta run
     

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