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Clause 15.3 and why Masi broke the rules

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  1. JJ

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    Fact is, Perez destroyed Hammy's race by closing the gap to where Lewis couldn't comfortably pit at any point. It's one of the few times Perez has actually meaningfully contributed to Max's results.
     
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  2. ktu

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    Magnificent entertainment for me lol!
     
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  3. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    Perez wasn't the only one. Max needed 20 people to help him beat Lewis. Latifi, Masi, Horner, God etc.
     
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  4. JJ

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    And for the last decade, Lewis needed Mercedes, Bernie, Charlie, and the FIA to beat even his teammates. Yet, he failed twice. :D
     
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  5. ktu

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    Hey those are the same people who Schumacher needed LOL!:p
     
  6. Giallo 550

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    Hamilton needed to run Verstappen into the wall at Silverstone, which incidentally was the first dirty move between the two, Bottas to hit Verstappen, Verstappen’s Pirelli’s to explode in Baku, a “spicy” Mercedes engine change, Toto’s mind games, to cut the track in the final GP, etc., and still couldn’t clinch it, so what exactly is your point?
     
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  7. ktu

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    You forgot Max taking out Hamilton at Monza. Ain't it funny how Max is always mentioned involving crashing? LOl!! Max was getting spanked so bad lately, that I wonder if he was gonna retaliate and take out Hamilton. Again.
     
  8. JJ

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    Neither finished at Monza. Apples v. Oranges, man.
     
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  9. Giallo 550

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    Nice “whataboutism” there. I forgot nothing and only stated many of the times things went Hamilton’s way since you suggested it was poor underdog Lewis vs big mean Max and his goon squad.

    Honestly, as a Ferrari fan and supporter of my team’s drivers, I could not possibly care less about either of them. They’re both fine drivers. It’s just too funny reading the whining from Hamilton fans when their idol’s good luck that has been taken for granted for so long finally turned bad for once.
     
  10. ktu

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    That's my whole point thanks to Crashtappen.
     
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  11. ktu

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    LOl!!!! YOU started whataboutism after I stated Max needed 30 people to help him beat Lewis.
     
  12. JJ

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    OK, let's play a game. Let's count up all the points that Lewis lost because of a Red Bull crashing him out, and all the points that Max lost because a Merc crashed him out. Then, let's adjust the season's point totals and see how it turns out.
     
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  13. JJ

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    And beat Lewis, he did. Ouch.
     
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  14. Giallo 550

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    My point was that EVERY driver needs the support from the resources around them, thus pointing out the asininity of your own post suggesting he only won because of his support!
     
  15. Bas

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    Fact is mercedes knew they messed up. They're trying everything to speed up the SC (less time to sort out the crash and the drivers), saying there's ''loads of debris'', they even said themselves that the field would be sorted out...there was a message that the cars would be let through, then not, then again...Chief of Stewards, Merc best mate ever Gary Connelly was overridden by Masi as it was taking too long, and that would mean the race couldn't finish under green in time as teams agreed. Masi safely had the race restarted as teams wanted.
     
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  16. JJ

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    @ktu We're waiting...
     
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    Also, isn't it ironic that the team that bleated the loudest of them all that they want to fight on track...tried to lobby the FIA/Stewards to not have Safety cars (it would erode their lead), then keep safety cars (after not pitting, they would be at a tyre disadvantage).

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  18. ktu

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    Its irrelevant. Things happen during the season. Lets count how many more points Max gained for not racing(Spa) and pionts for Masi breaking SC car rules. You keep trying to switch focus from Masi decision.
     
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  19. ktu

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    Has anybody found Masi yet?
     
  20. JJ

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    You brought up Monza, man, not me. So, let's talk about how many points Crashilton and his sidekick cost Max.
     
  21. Bas

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    Since you're not getting an answer, lets do some basic maths.

    Lets assume Max finished 2nd in both those races (afterall, every race he finished except for Budapest, Max lowest position was 2nd, so it's a reasonable assumption that if he didn't win either of those, he'd be 2nd!)

    18+18 = 36

    But he got 2 points in Budapest (despite finishing with half a car), so the loss max got from Mercpedos is 34.

    Spa for some reason is illegal now, 12.5 point gain. But lewis also gained points in that race, 7.5, so actual loss for lewis is 5
    7 points loss for lew lew from ''masi breaking the rules'' (which he didn't do)

    =12.5 points.

    Mmm.

    Seems to me even with fictional points loss, Max is still rightful champion.

    Oh noes!
     
  22. JJ

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    Blasphemy!

    Shuffle the order of the races and nobody would pay any attention to Masi's decision.
     
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  23. ktu

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    You guys are trying hard to not focuse on Masi LOL!! I'll play along.
    Did Hamilton derserve to win in 2016 since he won the most races?
     
  24. JJ

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    Did he have the most points, like Max in 2021?
     
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  25. william

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    It's all over now anyway: Verstappen is the champ. Period.

    Everybody wished he had won in better circumstances, but we have to draw a line somewhere.

    His merit is not questionable anyway, that's the positive aspect of this title: it's not a fluke.

    Verstappen didn't win a war of attrition, he fought for all his points.

    But questions remain about the organisation, and the management of track incidents in future.

    The FIA has to do better than sending a safety car on the track for any incident; this has too much influence on the outcome of a race.

    Since most tracks are divided in "sectors", why not simply neutralise the sector where the incident occured by imposing the pitlane speed limit there?

    Whilst allowing a safe recovery of the stricken car, that would leave the drivers free to race on the rest of the circuit.
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