Long term what do you think will be the better investment: 458 spider or F12?

F12.

 

Honestly i dont see either appreciating.

 

If any are going to appreciate it will be the last of the big naturally aspirated, battery free 12's. They are not long for this world.

 

Yep.

 

The sad thing is, the cars of today could become nothing more than large, deregulated paper weights 40 years from now. If you need to do an electric motor swap to drive it (or whatever future engine tech), does it really matter if the car has a V12 or V8? Autonomous driving could become mandatory by then too, then these cars really will be useless, sadly. Not to mention the uncertainty of how all the electric gizmos in modern cars will age.

Not trying to sway OT, but I'd suggest just buying what you like right now and not worry about future values, especially that far out. Tomorrow is never guaranteed.

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The collectible version of each car is the Speciale A and the F12 TdF. A substantial price difference exists between the two with the F12 TdF being about $350,000 more expensive as of this writing.

The 458 represents the last naturally aspirated V8 whilst the F12 was superseded by another naturally spirited V12, the 812. Similarly, the Competizione and Comp A will supersede the F12 TdF.

If you are going to drive one or the other for twenty years, you need to determine your desire for driving a heavier, front engine F12 or a more sporty, mid-engine V8.

Personally, I would rather drive a mid-engine V8 instead of a front engine V12. Also, I think the collectibility of the last mid-engine V8 model will be significant. Finally, one is a convertible, one is not. There are many factors involved beyond appreciation. Driving enjoyment and sharing that joy with your family and friends is a large factor. Maintenance is another. It is likely that a 12 cylinder engine will cost more to maintain than an 8.

I’m keeping a 70th F12, a TdF, a Speciale, a 458 CH, and a Speciale A. The TdF is worth the most, the 458 CH is the most fun. I love all five for different reasons but the F12 70th would be the easiest to part with.

 

Doing either would be political suicide.

 

Look at history. It is always the biggest fastest that is the collectors/investment item. Not the most popular. In 1972 we could not give away Daytona Spiders. They are rare because no one wanted them. Same can be said of a Hemi Daytona Charger or Hemi Cuda Convertible.

 

The OP’s choice is a titillating one. These are both standard production models, and looking back through their progenitors, V8 midengined Ferraris tend not to gain value beyond a small uptick after their depreciation trough. 308, 328, 355, 360, 430, the scores look pretty similar; slightly bigger uptick for more highly lauded or rarer models (355 vs 348, 430 manual vs F1).

V12s are the classic bloodline, though a lot has changed since the days of the 250, 275 and Daytona, mainly higher production runs and much more market saturation from the competition. Maybe the F12 has more form to hold its value, on that front, or maybe the days of standard production V12 Ferraris being special for collectors are long gone. A good Testarossa, F1 equipped 575, and 599, are similar, low prices now and have been for a while.

In terms of ownership preference, it’s totally personal as F12 and 458 are at the top of their games. I would take a 458 Spider, as it’s more fun at lower speed, practically as fast, turns in better, and sounds better. Someone who wanted a car with more straight line speed, an even more epic engine, cruising ability and V12 pedigree would take the F12. But, with an F12, you’d always have the 812 hanging over you - same car, just better in every way. 458 is last of a line.

So, whatever you enjoy most, is the right answer. I don’t think either will open a big value gap over the other, either way.

 

I would buy whichever one you like more.


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Too hard to predict standard production collector cars, it’s too irrational. Who would have thought at the time a 246 being worth more than a 512bb? Or a Supra turbo going for 300k. Back in the 90s my dad bought an audi over the supra. He ended up giving the audi away to his mechanic for free after 10 years. Go figure.

I say just buy what you daydream about, and even if it doesn’t appreciate, I’m sure your son, if he turns out to be a car guy, will still treasure a car, Ferrari no less, that’s been in the family for 40 years regardless of monetary value.

 

Not to be funny, but get a used Honda and put the money in the market. 40 yrs from now he will buy what he wants and have plenty left over.
Enjoy life and cars - they are not investments - some people just got lucky. When you factor in service, insurance, storage , etc - the costs probably don't out weigh the return. This is coming from a guy with 20+ cars in his collection... so i am not so smart, buy I am having fun!!! Add to that when I tell my boys these will be yours one day, my wife says "they don't want your stuff!!!"
my two cents...

 

Honestly neither. IMHO the mid engine cars always have the "sports car" vibe versus the GT. I'd but my money on the 458 spider... but you're going to loose money either way. Especially now that everyone and their mom is spending above market for their dream car. I also think that by the time you want to pass it down to him all cars will be electric, the only place you could drive it will be on a private track with fuel that is $7 gallon. FWIW the current generation the will be collecting Lambo's not Ferrari's. They all love the reliability Audi injected into the brand.

 

I would get either, although I think the F12 will be more valuable.

Both cars will appreciate substantially in 40+ years, say the year 2065. By that time there will be no raw materials to make batteries any more and the severe electricity shortage will force people to leave their electric cars at home and walk or bicycle everywhere. ICE cars will be prized because they hadn't been making any since 2035. Oil will be plentiful and a gallon of 93 octane will be about 30 cents, even adjusted for inflation.

I won't be around to see it, but the the future will be very bright for our cars 40 years from now.

 

Agree....the regular production cars the OP is looking at are great cars (although I didn't like the 458 when I drove it) but built in numbers that will assure there will always be plenty to satisfy demand.

 

Id have to say its the other way around. What are the rational or logical reasons why they should go up in value? The vast majority of Ferraris do not appreciate.

So when one asks if Ferrari model 'whatever' could appreciate, then i ask, 'why do you think it should appreciate?'

 

Maybe consider a 612 , 4 adult seats so you can all enjoy it, only made 3025 (my pick one of 199 Manual trans)..maybe even the rare OTO.

Historically 4 seats haven't done great,but seemed to have bottomed out price wise.I think it will age well as a classic type shape.

Whatever you buy please drive it,a lot!

 

You cannot avoid that. Every Ferrari goes through that stage with the possible exception of the 288 GTO. Even 250 GTO's were well below $10,000. One was donated to a high school and now they have sold for North of 70 million. The ones who tough it out during the doldrum years are the ones rewarded.
And all this assumes any of the modern cars built in relatively large numbers are headed for any kind of value beating inflation.