LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

I just like the design of that, but it's way off from being my favorite design. I had no idea it even has released specs.

Here are some of my favorite concepts in terms of design:

https://hiconsumption.com/ferrari-f70-v12-hybrid-concept/

https://www.blocktoro.com/p/a-manual-ferrari-concept-has-come-up-and-its-amazing/

https://www.carscoops.com/2016/02/futuristic-ferrari-le-mans-prototype/

 

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eah they released them, but it seems like none of the sites posted them before it was gone from behance

 

Seems like it’s been a bit of a dry spell right now, I did hear that the code name for this car was f242 instead of f255 for the lmh car, I guess that’s why we’re not getting much info?

 

You heard anything about the launch date ?!

 

I think I have read somewhere that it doesn't really make sense in a road car to make engine as stressed member. Not even weight wise. Semi-stressed might be good with a spaceframe. Please correct me if I remember this wrongly.

 

The weight loss advantage is probably offset by the additional NVMH

 

@inox

https://www.automoblog.net/aston-martin-valkyrie-engine/

from above:

Fully-Stressed & Completely Insane
We still don’t know much about the chassis or aero specs for the Valkyrie, but you could probably put this plant in an AMC Pacer and wax a Porsche 911. Well, you’d have to stuff it into the “trunk,” since this Valkyrie V12 engine (mid-engine by the way) is a “fully stressed” member of the chassis. This has been standard racing practice since the first Cosworth DFV, but rarely has it been seen in a road-going car. The only one that springs to mind is the V12 Ferrari put into the F50.

Like the F50, the Valkyrie will have its V12 bolted directly to the carbon-fiber tub. This makes perfect sense from a packaging and performance standpoint. From an everyday usability standpoint, it’s kinda iffy. All the vibrations, buzzes, shudders, and such are transmitted directly to the part of the car you’re sitting on and, therefore, right into your spine.

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Even though the engine is a fully-stressed chassis member, that means adding more weight to support the loads. The whole thing weighs just 206kg or around 420 lbs. Kinda heavy, but not all that bad.

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and from

https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us/our-world/news/2018/12/14/aston-martin-valkyrie-v12-turns-the-hypercar-engine-up-to-11-100

Cosworth’s F1 expertise is also evidenced in the Aston Martin Valkyrie engine’s weight, which also set new standards. Given the engine is a fully stressed element of the car (remove the engine and there is nothing joining the front wheels to the back!) and the level of technology in the combustion system, keeping weight down was a huge challenge. Especially as the programme actively avoided use of extreme materiel alloys which are so new that material properties over time are unproven.

 

I just checked and the Jaguar XJR-15 also uses the engine/tranny as a stressed member. I can’t think of any other historical street legal cars that do outside the F50.

 

XJR-15 fun fact: It came equipped with two pairs of microphone headsets so driver and passenger could talk to each other. Without them, it's too loud inside to carry on a conversation. Glorious.

 

Engine of course becomes heavier if it is used as stressed member. But whether engine as stressed member reduces car weight, that's a good question. Certainly it helps to centralize masses, but the most important benefit must be for aerodynamics. In that sense it wasn't really needed for F50.

Then again, Valkyrie's support structure on top of cylinder head seems to be quite clever:
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Gordon Murray's T.50 uses engine as semi-stressed member. It is not quite clear how it differs from structural point of view, but at least it appears to have rubber joints between the engine and chassis. Also, there seems to be no Valkyrie like support structure above cylinder head. Perhaps there is some other support frame.

More info here:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/british/number-crunch-murray-t50-v12-vs-aston-martin-valkyrie-v12

Murray also said that combined weight of T.50 chassis and body is only 150 kg.

Its engine weights 178 kg which is only 28 kg lighter than Valkyrie's 206 kg. However, I do wonder if Valkyrie's figure includes also the earlier mentioned support structure.

 

why cosworth can build NA engine with all this carbon limits and other companies go into turbo because they claim it's impossible to keep alive NA engine? why Ferrari can't build V8 NA engine with red line aroud 10k rpm?

 

what this could be?
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https://www.instagram.com/iliasabawi/

 

another prius on steroids

 

Guess this is one of the SP3 mules without camouflage?

 

hybrid

 

Ok,

So Laferrari replacement mule ?

 

Wrong thread, this is a Lamborghini.

 

Probably because that Cosworth is used in Aston Martins and their European sales are around 2000 or less per year, they probably received a derogation from emissions requirements...because they sell very few cars into Europe.

Ferrari could build such a V8, but, they do not want to, they have their focus on electric from the new CEO to their entire future direction.

 

spot on as usual

 

**** electric !!! High revving NA engines are still the best !

 

and it takes actual skill to build such engines that are durable and reliable!!

 

No, that’s what I asked, I do find it weird how this forum knows so much about f167, yet nobody bothered to ask about the flagship that will represent Ferrari for the next 10 years

 

The 75th anniversary might be the right occasion to announce it, and that is 2022 (May be in November, similar to the 70th anniversary in 2017).

 

Doubt it… I think the LaF successor will be presented in 2023


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