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  1. werewolf

    werewolf F1 World Champ Rossa Subscribed

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    Amazing, isn't it? Hamilton fanboys refuse to recognize that a world championship is decided by ALL races, ALL season long.

    The only reason Hamilton remained in contention by the last lap of the last race, was the sweet set of xmas presents that the stewards gave him all season long (Silverstone, lap one of Abu Dhabi, etc).
     
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    What you "buy into" matters not. It's a fact that what occurred at Abu Dhabi , and only what hapened at Abu Dhabi, determined, decided, whatever you want to call it, the outcome of the season.
    I understand what you're saying, but in reality, the last race was it.
    They were tied in points, neither ahead of the other. If it were the only "championship" race, the result would be the same. (yes, I know, negating the possibility of a points tie with Max having one more win)
    So yes, in final observation, what happened at Abu Dhabi was the factor that named the WDC for 2021 between the two. ;)
     
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  3. jgonzalesm6

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    I bet you also think that it wasn't the WHOLE race that decided the WDC title but in fact THE LAST LAP OF THE RACE to include Masi's rule book decision!!!!
     
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    No, just the last millimeter of the last lap of the last race.
     
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    :p
     
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    You're quite correct. It was Max, crossing the line ahead of Lewis. Am I mistaken?
    Was it actually Lewis for leading the vast majority of the race??? I've missed that correction, haven't I?
     
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    yeah it's imperative that we ignore Hamilton's cheat in the first lap ... the cheat that gave him back the lead.
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

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    I'm good in my corner and in my beliefs.

    Your good in your corner and in your beliefs of a one race F1 23 race season.
     
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    Not to mention at least 1 very advantageous opportunity to pit for fresher tires which Mercedes didn't do......but I digress.
     
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  10. werewolf

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    Perhaps you're referring to the bad tire strategy, that even Hamilton himself questioned during the race? (i know, i know ... Hamilton complains about his team, in public, all the time. But there's no denying that even Hamilton knew it was a bad BAD call to leave him out)

    Naaahhhhh ... none of that matters in F1. Only the last lap of the last race.
     
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    More of that lack of reading comprehension. The championship season was absolutely 23 races.
    'has nothing to do with my "belief". I know. I actually saw Max cross the line ahead of Lewis.
    This recent discussion has been about what determined the championship. (at least that's what I thought it was).
    Allowing Hamilton to remain in the lead at the start (I disagreed with, btw) doesn't change who's champion , now does it?
    It's still Max, who led only the last lap, giving him the championship, no? Correct me if I'm mistaken, please. :)
     
  12. werewolf

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    You're mistaken.

    The total sum of ALL of Max's points gave him the championship. If he entered the last race with zero points, he would NOT be World Champion ... even after a win in Abu Dhabi.
     
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    Prior to the Latifi incident, LH was walking away with it (from Max) at Dhabi. A veritable textbook "schooling," etc.
     
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    Got me totally confused. Isn't it the order of the cars crossing the line on the final lap that determines the outcome of any race?
    If not, remind.....nay, educate me.....of when this chnged. I missed this one also I guess. :rolleyes:
     
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    At Silverstone, for example, Hamilton deliberately drove into Verstappen, crashing him out of the race and sending him to the hospital (!).

    Simple question: Was Verstappen's "outcome" in Silverstone decided by the final lap?

    Please think carefully now ... i bet you can come up with the right answer.

    Bonus question: did Silverstone (or any other race) have any impact, or contribution, to the 2021 season? (this one is tougher, i know)
     
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    You make no sense.... He didn't go into Abu Dhabi with no pouints. Neither did Lewis. Amazing.....they were tied after the 22 previous. The outcome of Abu Dhabi determined the championship. How is that so hard to comprehend? I feel for you.
     
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    Max led more laps than Lewis by a wide margin. Guess again.
     
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    'Didn't have to think at all. Yes, the outcome was decided by the final lap. Points were awarded by the order of finish. (btw, what year are you referencing?)
    How it transpired doesn't matter. Only the official finishing order does.
    Always. ;)
     
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  19. werewolf

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    You just can't comprehend that ALL races contribute to an F1 season, can you?

    Let's try it this way ... if this doesn't help you, there's nothing more i can do for you:

    Let's say that all races in 2021 had the exact same results ... but the order of the races was changed, so that Abu Dhabi came early in the season, and another race ... maybe Mexico ... was the final race.

    (Please note: in this hypothetical, total point results would be the same at the end of the season. Max would still be champion. Yes, I know how hard this is for you)

    Question: In this scenario, would you still complain that the SEASON was determined by the last lap of Abu Dhabi?
     
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    Egads.
    Let me hold your hand and walk you thru..... Lewis led 51 laps. Perez led 6. Max led 1.
     
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    Nope. You still got it wrong.

    VERSTAPPEN's outcome was NOT decided by the last lap at Silverstone. He was guaranteed to get ZERO points, as soon as Hamilton sent him to the hospital.

    I know you will never understand this ... but many laps contribute to a race, and many races contribute to a season.

    But thanks for playing !!! :D
     
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    Egads. Your hand is moist.

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    Merc schooling not a lulu schooling. buona notte
     
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    There you go again ... with this crazy belief that ALL races contribute, in summation, to a full F1 season ;)

    Where on earth do you get this nonsense? :D
     
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    Your beloved 15.3 is Force Majuere incarnate. It could even be used by "royal fiat" (i.e. unilaterally) by the Race Director to stop the race during the very last lap, just before the leader crosses the finish line, so that the Race Director can go to the bathroom!

    This sounds eerily reminiscent of something else, but that would require taking the discussion to P&R F1 . . .
     

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