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458/488 Brake Recall

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Hopeful, Oct 30, 2021.

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  1. FerrariCognoscenti

    FerrariCognoscenti Formula 3

    Jan 19, 2021
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    The brake fluid cap is such a PITA to take off because the plastic surrounding it is so high up.


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  2. PMiranda

    PMiranda Formula Junior

    Jul 23, 2004
    640
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    Got the letter the other day and it all makes some sense to me now.. If the brake fluid and air above it in the reservoir heat up and expand, the cap is supposed to allow the excess pressure out, but if it doesn't, then the pressure could force some fluid past the seals into the booster.
     
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  3. Need4Spd

    Need4Spd F1 Veteran

    Feb 24, 2007
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    This suggests that overfilling the reservoir could be a problem.


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  4. PMiranda

    PMiranda Formula Junior

    Jul 23, 2004
    640
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    Indeed overfilling would hurt
     
  5. hgoodwiniii

    hgoodwiniii Formula Junior
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    I received my letter today; Whoooo!
     
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  6. Sargepug

    Sargepug Formula Junior

    Mar 23, 2020
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    Really? I had no issues at all....
     
  7. PMiranda

    PMiranda Formula Junior

    Jul 23, 2004
    640
    Austin, TX
    Fingers crossed that part availability is WAY better than the great airbag recall. I think that took 5 years to get all the cars.
     
  8. BigJay2050

    BigJay2050 F1 Veteran
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    With the current supply chain issues, it may take way longer than 5 years to get to all the cars.
     
  9. rw99

    rw99 Karting

    Jan 1, 2019
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    So are we to infer that Pista, F8 etc. have a different reservoir and/or cap? And that’s why they’re immune? Or that it’s the combination of our “old” cap and MC/boosters that creates the issue?

    I feel a bit skeptical of any solution that just happens to be the simplest and least expensive.
     
  10. rockminster

    rockminster Formula Junior
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    Nov 20, 2003
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    So for those of us with a hard pedal that Ferrari has said is normal, will they replace the brake booster?


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  11. jdlegg

    jdlegg Formula Junior

    Dec 22, 2009
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    Got my letter today as well. :-(
     
  12. ilko

    ilko Karting

    Aug 20, 2008
    155
    The letter states that Ferrari will reimburse you if you've already had to do the repair. I plan to send them my parts receipt, since I did the work on my own and see what they say... o_O
     
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  13. Need4Spd

    Need4Spd F1 Veteran

    Feb 24, 2007
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    Yeah. I still haven’t received the latest letter.


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  14. Scout123

    Scout123 Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2017
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    Nothing in our letter from Ferrari states not to drive the car until the replacement part arrives and software update are completed. I plan to continue driving my 13 458 spider keeping in mind using e brake if a failure does occur.
     
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  15. up4speed

    up4speed F1 Rookie
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    I found the same thing.
    My work around was to take off the plastic cover to the right of the brake reservoir (the one covering the A/C line fittings) , then stick my fingers in there, and under the tank and push up, while unscrewing cap with the other hand. When you push up on the tank, it is much easier to get torque on the cap, and easier to actually grab the cap.
     
  16. Need4Spd

    Need4Spd F1 Veteran

    Feb 24, 2007
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    Good question. There may be a number of different problems and causes.

    I once had an M3 that ran ok in most driving but seemed short by 100 HP when pushed. It went back to the dealer several times. They checked plugs, ignition, all sorts of things.

    I figured out that the likely cause was an underperforming fuel pump. They refused to change it because there were no codes indicating a failure. I told them to do it anyway, and that if it’s not the problem, I’d pay for it (car was under warranty). They did. And it was. So I got it free.

    You with a hard pedal know that your problem isn’t a bad reservoir cap. It’s either a bad booster or bad check valve or line that deprives the booster of the vacuum needed for power assist. It’s also possible it’s debris in the line like one of the posters above. But changing the cap isn’t going to fix lack of boost.

    Since it’s a safety issue not a “convenience” issue like my M3 pump, I’d do what it takes to fix it, and argue with Ferrari later about who should pay. Lack of good stopping ability is not normal.

    Don’t buy the bs that these are racing brakes that only stop well when hot. I run OEM pads and rotors. They have always had good initial bite, even when cold, and with only moderate pedal pressure. The key is not to let a car wash or detailer use spray-on silicone tire dressing that might contaminate the rotors.

    Those whose brakes are functioning normally, yeah, wait for the new cap. Maybe there’s really nothing wrong with your car anyway.



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  17. Sargepug

    Sargepug Formula Junior

    Mar 23, 2020
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    It might behoove us all, to open the cap before each drive, to let out and previously built up pressure...
     
  18. ilko

    ilko Karting

    Aug 20, 2008
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    Every time you open the reservoir you introduce humidity into the system which is the worst thing you can do to brake fluid.
     
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  19. Sargepug

    Sargepug Formula Junior

    Mar 23, 2020
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    Maybe on a DD capacity it can truly be detrimental, but most of us I assume, drive the car sparingly...
     
  20. ilko

    ilko Karting

    Aug 20, 2008
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    Do you also brake sparingly from triple digits before entering a corner? :confused:
     
  21. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

    Jan 21, 2017
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    #346 LVP488, Jan 12, 2022
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    They will argue that what they would pay for is only the cheap plastic cap since according to them, it's where the problem is :D

    So far I've been lucky with my car (braking from 166 mph less than 500 ft before a corner on track), I hope it will go on that way.

    In France (and I suppose it's the same elsewhere in Europe) there is still no news of the recall (for the Takata airbags, the news also arrived long after in the US, which seems to be more sensitive specially when there is a risk of legal action).
     
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  22. 430jm

    430jm Formula Junior

    Jun 11, 2017
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    Atlanta
    And folks here often lament our legal system…
     
  23. Sargepug

    Sargepug Formula Junior

    Mar 23, 2020
    888
    NYC
    I didn't say I brake sparingly, I use the car sparingly, so cap won't be opened a number of times like a DD. And I don't track the car.
    IMO, I think releasing pressure in my situation by removing the cap, if not every time / now and then, is better than a potential brake failure.
     
  24. mdrums

    mdrums F1 Rookie

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    2019 488GTB here and got my letter today.
     
  25. up4speed

    up4speed F1 Rookie
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    A little off topic, but do you know how we can clean contaminants, like silicone spray, off of the rotors? I would like to get maximum efficiency, just in case a prior owner along the way contaminated them.
     

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