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Is that true that in 2024 or 2025 Lambo will release fully electric Taycan clone ? so calle "forth model"

 

On the vette, 2 things, (a) there will never be a v12 'vette; (b) their new engine revs higher than any production GM motor, did they get it right (I doubt it)...and, its power is way down (per liter) versus the Ferrari, so even if 'vette did something, their best tool is to make the engine even bigger, but, GM is converting themselves to an EV company, so, seems they probably are done, the next 'vette will likely be some sort of self-immolating hybrid vis-a-vis Chevy Bolt...

 

no truth, it is 2027-2028 for first full EV per Lamborghini CEO:
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lamborghini-ceo-defines-the-future-for-electric-lamborghinis-and-the-v12-175871.html

 

cost and heritage/appeal.

 

It's (probably) fast enough for a convertable......

 

European guidelines will become the global standard (unfortunately).

 

I hope customers will boycott Huracan replacement for killing NA engine

 

Agreed, however the same applies to stick shifters. Everyone seems to 'want one' yet no one is buying one.
In general true enthusiasts/purists never are the best customers/make up the bulk of the business.
You try to keep them happy yet the focus is on the 'masses' and masses will always drove towards the yellow/black Cavalino badge no matter what.

 

Nah, they will add one more spoiler (try to find where there is some space left on the body work) and add the mandatory flames and sales are guaranteed.
As long as Lambo remains the "youtuber/influencer's car of choice' they are set.

 

I don't think the NA V12 + hybrid concept should be so heavily discounted, until it actually arrives and is tested by media
Personally I think a down sized V12 presents a lot of opportunities. Less engine weight will help in weight shift bias towards
the rear where the battery will be located hence providing more of rear midengined feel than a lumpy unit upfront IMO
Smaller engine will also lower the CG and higher redline will create better sound

 

But it will force a rather significant investment from Ferrari to develop a completely new NA V12. In a time where politicians simply want to completely ban in a rather short period from all NA engine's. I seriously doubt ferrari would make that investment.
Sticking with the current 6.5litre V12 and adding a hybrid system seems like the most viable/economical and thus logiocal solution.
They have clearly stated they will fight for the V12 for as long as possible.
If the Aventador will have a V12 in whatever form it may be; ferrari is obligated to keep their V12 as well.

 

Yes, that was the lone voice of Michael Leiters, whom the board approved his removal last month, a few days before Christmas, quite the distancing they have provided and couple that with that with the new management team that includes no actual replacement for his specific skill set...seems Ferrari has sent us 2 strong messages regarding the future of the V12:

1. SF90 (V8/turbo/hybrid) is the new top range (May 2019)

2. Leiters who has been been consistently championing the V12, fired (December 2021)

Make of that what you will...

 

That could be a fantastic car.

 

That's a pipedream.

Does not work like that. It will always be important for Ferrari to offer the same cars world wide. If they offer ICE cars outside of Europe, they basically shoot themselves in the foot. From a marketing point of view, they are better off offering the same range of cars world wide. Then they can market it simply as the latest and greatest. If they offer a "better" car outside of Europe, then they basically kill off the entire European market as people will know they are getting the short end of the stick.



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His departure does not have to have anything to do with his view of the V12.

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1. I thought the new 812C would be....
But we'll see.
I'm trying to remain positive (somehow)

 

Don't blame Ferrari for killing their EU market; it's those grey suits in Belgium where the angst should be directed.
NO soup for you!

 

Offering different cars for different markets is not exactly unprecedented. Take the 208 GTB for example.

 

Also for a while the 512BB was Not offered in the US

 

Exactly they voted for it now eat it

 

That was some 40 years ago. Times have changed. Big time. New world now.

Marcel Massini

 

As I posted earlier already, Leiters (true car guy) and Vigna (tech and computer guy) did not get along with each other. Also called different views.
It's tragic and - in my humble opinion - a real loss for the company (in a way a bit similar to the departure of Amadeo Felisa back then, massive knowhow gone).

Marcel Massini

 

Exactly. Why should the cars that the RoW drives be dictated by a handful of bureaucrats in Belgium? How does that make sense?

Europeans should be forced to watch the rest of us bask in the glory of big honking V12s while they ride their bicycles and toasters to work. They voted for it.

 

I have a little trouble understanding the expectation of a 1200 hp car, or whatever Lambo will do...
I have no interest in drag racing, and what to do with it on the open road?
Because my friend is a professional pilot and 700 hp on the road he is already wondering what it's for and how to use them correctly...
I much prefer Gordon Murray's approach !

 

I have no idea on this one