I just bought another FF because I missed my previous one (DD for 4 years) so much. Would have happily bought a Lusso instead but I found an FF spec I really liked. What other 4 seater comes even close? Hate the handling of tall crossovers and SUV’s with a passion.
Personally, I have nothing against the FF/Lusso series, which do their job very well! I'm just as desperate as many here seeing the Purosangue appear and I would have preferred to see a modern version of the 412... but...
Based on this I assume 812 owners should hang on to them as their values are sure to go through the roof one day.
Values in USA are currently stabilizing just below original price (maybe 10% less) and moving up and available inventory is dropping...all this is happening now, wonder what it will be like in another year without an 812 successor being revealed or even the presence of a test mule... And, if there no 812 successor by 2026, probably never. Could the 'swan song' of the V12 be the Purosangue?
There will be a successor, the design is finished, and the technical part is in the process of being.
I know you have told us, late 2023 reveal, first it was not hybrid, now, it will be hybrid? Will Vigna let it finish? Has that been 100% confirmed?
Thank you for clearing that up. I simply pointed it out because in your post #663, there was no mentioning your statement pertaining to the US only. When I read your comment I read it as a general statement of fact about the Lusso as a whole. Something I am a bit curious about when talking FF and Lusso sales numbers, is how they compare to other 2+2 V12 Ferraris. I would think that would be what determines their level of success. How does sales numbers compare to the 412, 456, 456M and 612? 2+2 V12 Ferraris have never been big sellers ever, so it kind of seems to me that the level of success for a 2+2 V12 Ferrari should be viewed within the 2+2 V12 segment. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
With @day355 confirming yes to all of this....where do you guys think it will take the 812SF in the retail market in the next couple of years and moving forward past the new reveal one day?
Biased owner seeks reassurance ! Hot news: cars depreciate - I'll give you ten bucks today as it might be worth even less tomorrow Sorry I encouraged this (inevitable & unwelcome) thread tangent by replying.......
Pretty sure most of us know a great deal about car depreciation. You don’t enjoy speculative conversations? And I apologize as well for taking the bait. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
If the F167 is drop dead gorgeous I think many will “look past” it being a hybrid and it will sell well. I think the 812 will remain very attractive to people who like an unassisted NA V12, and it will continue to sell well. Hope this helps!
I guess it depends exclusively on the desirability and merits of the new offering. For many, a small displacement, high-revving V12 mated to a small electric motor(s) will be a workable solution, but for others, it won’t be. Only time will really tell.
99% of Ferrari (V12) buyers will form a line to be able to purchase the F167. Be it hybrid or not won't do anything for sales. It might even boost sales if hybrid as that opens up the customer base in metropolitan areas. It's simply the 'latest' model. Who would ever want to be seen in any high street gobally in the 'previous' model... the horrorz!
It'll be a V12 which will be (Marketing led) mated to a plug-in hybrid system(Legislation led). It'll be much more powerful but mostly offset by being much heavier. A lot of new generation buyers who do not care about Ferrari heritage will buy it in droves but traditionalists(Myself included) won't.
For me it will come down to looks and pricing. If hybrid and Roma-esque haptic controls then it better be drop dead gorgeous for me to consider.
It seems the V12+Hybrid will be a 'new line' and the 'old line' will be recognized as such as the "old-school purists" will continue to seek the 812SF/GTS, so I believe its future value is assured. As for others wanting the latest, of course, but Ferrari, for the first time in the V12 line will not find a large number of its 812/prior owners ordering/upgrading to the new. Some things to consider, the V12 line can produce about 2200 engines per year, its pipeline is essentially fully through CY2024 (calendar year)(812GTS/812c/812cA/SP3), and that's before the V12-FUV impact is known (will it be limited to a 500 or V12s per year and the remaining V6/hybrid?); That would seem to mean any 812-successor will first enter production in CY2025 or later and it may be limited if the V12 FUV is a big success and using up V12 production. Also, for potential new models Hypercar/SP4/beyond, if each use the V12, will also reduce availability of V12 production for the 'regular' model (i.e. 812-successor). So, if an 812-successor occurs (and by all current accounts it will), I believe it will be limited production, high price, bigger+heavier (new safety regulations and hybrid drivetrain), full of government regulated nannies that cannot be defeated and full infotainment without a single analog anything in the cabin. Based on all the above, I am confident the 812-family will remain in-demand amongst the old-school purists who will have zero interest in the 812-successor.
I suspect the new car will also have a ton of screens / electronic features that will look quite dated in only a few years.
Its extremely likely to get the same futuristic new age haptic control and centre touch screen like the Roma which I absolutely hated. OTOH if it got the same wonderful and very intuitive cockpit of the stunning new Portofino M then I'd be tempted. Either way the 812 is likely be the last of an era of many decades of glorious front engine NA V12 Supercars and valued accordingly.
